We need to differentiate between op and annoying

Totalis·Nov 26, 2015·9 votes·808 views

Yasuo is not op. He's just not. Go ahead and downvote me if you want, but the fact stands. he is annoying to play against, but he's really not that strong compared to a lot of other champions right now. the problem is he is really fun to play, which makes him popular, which means more people are playing him so you see him more often. When you see an incredibly annoying champion more often, of course people are going to complain about him, which is why we see like 50 different threads about him.

Yasuo is annoying. Patch 5.20 Mordekaiser was op. Patch 5.22 Yasuo pre-warlords hotfix was really really op.

lee sin, who I find to be incredibly annoying and at this point stale, is as much as I hate to admit it, just annoying. Jax with Rageblade is op.

Please learn the difference so we can stop talking about this now.

12 Comments

PennsNov 26, 20157 votes

Yasuo is not op. He's just not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdtKbq3Omkw

Dominick DestineNov 26, 20153 votes

Fiddlesticks is annoying. He is not overpowered. Vlad is annoying. He is not overpowered. Morgana is annoying. She is not overpowered. Janna is annoying. She is not overpowered.

Yasuo is overpowered and therefore, annoying. Jax is overpowered and therefore, annoying. Thresh is overpowered and therefore, annoying. Lee is overpowered and therefore, annoying.

It's not complicated.

14kIP well spentNov 26, 20151 votes

Thank you for spelling it out for OP. :) Turns out he was the one that had a hard time differentiating between annoying and OP.

14kIP well spentNov 26, 20152 votes

{quoted} Yasuo is not op.

Patch 5.22 Yasuo pre-warlords hotfix was really really op.

You're telling us a clause fix from (Anything) to (Only Champions) for one mastery moved Yasuo from Really Really OP to not OP?

Slamurai JackNov 26, 20153 votes

You're telling me that infinite sustain just from hitting minions to no longer getting that sustain from minions doesn't make a difference? Well shit, might as well make all healing work on champions only. From this point forward, all lifesteal, spellvamp, and healing abilities will now only heal off of enemy champions and not minions or monsters.

14kIP well spentNov 26, 20151 votes

I didn't say it didn't make a difference. Nice straw-man.

Slamurai JackNov 26, 20154 votes

My bad, you just said it would make no meaningful difference. Totally different.

TotalisNov 26, 20151 votes

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You're telling us a clause fix from (Anything) to (Only Champions) for one mastery moved Yasuo from Really Really OP to not OP?

Yes. I am. What made it so strong was because he got a stupid amount of sustain from the get go off of every minion or monster, and he couldn't be punished for mistakes. Once that was taken away he became very similar to 5.21 yasuo where he had a 5% ban rate

ChargeItDownMidNov 26, 20151 votes

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TotalisNov 26, 20151 votes

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No one cares about how annoying a champion is if they aren't overpowered. Look at teemo, he is incredibly annoying and yet there is no one ever qq'd about him. Or sona, a champion who people have been actively asking for buffs the past year despite being one of the most annoying supports to deal with.

Meanwhile, look at veiger. People asked for veiger buffs pre 5.18 and then started to mass qq about veiger post 5.18. There was nothing more intrinsically annoying about veiger's kit after 5.18, he simply got more overpowered due to a few direct number buffs. People simply do not care about how annoying a champion is and will never qq based on how annoying they are. The only thing that really matters is overall strength and how overpowered a champion is.

Teemo is also weak and unpopular. A major crux of my argument that people seem to be ignoring is that i said because yasuo's popular and annoying is there so much complaining and outcry for nerfs when hes really not that op. If teemo was strong and popular as yasuo I guarantee you there would be qq about him too.

Same thing with veigar. Pre 5.18 he was annoying but also weak and unpopular, thus nothing on the boards about him. Post 5.18 there was bitching because he became actually op, besides just annoying

StaconaNov 26, 20151 votes

Yasuo is not overpowered, he just never will be balanced in his current kit, they need to give him a majour rework to fix his issues because you can never do number tweaking or small changes to his the amount of problems wrong with Yasuo's kit to why it is so not fun to go against that he gets banned for it