PSA: Cassio rework is a success

Ale non è male··6 votes·1,316 views

Dear Cassiopeia players, neither your allies nor your enemies liked the previous kit of your preferred champ that revolved entirely around the mindless E spam. Everyone but you Cassio players hated it

With the new rework you got a much cooler kit that give you a larger field of possibilities to make plays. Accept that no one else except you wanted or liked your main champ old kit and stop moaning about the changes to the kit. The only thing you are obtaining by keep moaning and crying is bother the other people, and being honest this does not help to have the rest of the playerbase have sympathy for your struggles, if anything you are just bothering the rest of the people to the point theyare getting tired to listen to your whining requests

I mean, it is fair that you ask for your champ to be viable, and it is fair that you can ask for buffs and QoL adjustements. And Riot will have to answer to your voice if you are correct in your assessment and they will have to buff Cassio if she end up being too weak. BUT, you must first drop the attitude where if Cassio can't just spam E mindlessly she is not good at all, you have to first accept to adapt and play her new kit to his fullest extent, and then, if Cassio is actually too much on the weak side, the rest of the players will support you in asking for buffs... if you don't do this first, you have no right to ask for balance adjustments for your champs, I'm sorry

P.S. I completely despise the E CD hotfix Riot decided to release basically in advance for the fear of Cassio players revolt EXACTLY for this reason. It was way too soon to make the call given that most of Cassio players didn't even try to play in a different way. This way they only encouraged the syubborn Cassio players to NOT change their playstyle at all, not even by an ounce. They had to let it play out at least for a full patch forcing the Cassio stubborn players to actually explore the new different gameplay patterns and then eventually make the change

14 Comments

Droogzy3 votes

You know, the irony of this thread is that even Cassiopeia players didn't like Cass before this rework, that's why they were advocating for changes in the first place.

Ale non è male1 votes

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You know, the irony of this thread is that even Cassiopeia players didn't like Cass before this rework, that's why they were advocating for changes in the first place.

That's exactly the point. The same Cassio fanbase has to decide what they want, because they are split up between being accustomed to the E spam only gameplay pattern, and the fact that this gameplay pattern did not satisfy properly the Cassio fantasy Right now there is a problem with Cassio power, BUT Cassio players can't react asking straight E buffs, because that would defy the scope of the rework theirselves asked for They got to get accustomed to the new style and when they have adjusted tackle the power issue, starting from the other spells other than E spam to force Cassio players even more out of it and only then eventually buff E again

Idally you buff MS (either base or the passive) and Miasma's AP ratio and functionality first which are the obvious thing underpowered, and then you go revaluating the other spells including E

Droogzy2 votes

I think the strong majority of Cass players hate the E spam and want poison to be a theme of her kit rather than the set up to the E spam.

This kit is certainly closer and thematically, its definitely hits the point better than her old one, however there are still some issues with her.

Her Q mana cost is ridiculous in comparison to her starting mana pool. Her W is just awkward, the fixed cast range means its pretty useless in many scenarios unless you're a psychic. Her E is better, this is the one part that is actually good. And her R still has some prevalent problems. Wonky hit box, they nerfed the slow on it for no evident reason, and I think there are other problems which I'm not remembering off the top of my head.

Thematically yes she's closer, gameplay, she's just as poor as before, IIRC she's sporting around a low 40% win rate atm.

Ale non è male1 votes

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I think the strong majority of Cass players hate the E spam

Nah, that's just NOT true Cassio players generally like a lot the E spam because it is was make Cassio the difficult mechanically champ Cassio players are looking for. They just want to have more than the E spam, but actually it doesn't seem they were willing to sacrifice power on E to get more on the rest, at least a part of them

I agree that there are still issues on Cass, but what I was pointing out is that the protests done by Cassio fanbase weren't on the excessive weaknesses to fix but that most of them were along the lines of "Cassio sucks because she don't do damage with her usual E spam gameplay pattern ", rather than suggesting improvements for the new gameplay patterns that ended up being too weak And they forced the hand for Riot to actually lower the E CD from the release, which was a bad thing to do in that moment where they were trying to make Cassio players learn new gameplay patterns alternative to "mindlessly spam E"

Zerolera3 votes

She's still E spamming so I have no idea what point you're trying to make in your thread. The only difference now is that she is even weaker early and late game. I've tried playing her as just the poison mage by leveling up Q instead of E for several games and it just doesn't work.

By the way, twin fang has become an even bigger part of her kit now since with cooldown reduction you can spam it even more. So again what you're saying is false.

Ale non è male1 votes

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She's still E spamming so I have no idea what point you're trying to make in your thread. The only difference now is that she is even weaker early and late game. I've tried playing her as just the poison mage by leveling up Q instead of E for several games and it just doesn't work.

By the way, twin fang has become an even bigger part of her kit now since with cooldown reduction you can spam it even more. So again what you're saying is false.

No one said she shouldn't spam E though, as that is still part of her identity The difference is that she has to set up it, unlike what happened in the past, and that you can do more than just spam E actually with your W

And to say that "twin fang has become an even bigger part of her kit now" is plain ridicoulous, please

Oleandervine2 votes

I think with number tweaks and unlocking that horrible targeting with W will go a huge way to fixing her.

Romans 82 votes

Ok, I hope Riot reworks your favorite champion into something that isn't what the champion is supposed to function as, with a less synergistic kit.

If Riot goes to all this trouble to reworking Cassiopeia into something she isn't, I hope the rest of the League community will actually play her kit.

Ale non è male2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Romans 8,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UnHBBwhT,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-05-11T16:25:38.543+0000)

Ok, I hope Riot reworks your favorite champion into something that isn't what the champion is supposed to function as, with a less synergistic kit.

Cassio was supposed to be a posion dps mage. The poison thing was absent in the previous kit given how you didn't actually need to hit her "poison" spells to do damage but it was enough to spam E

So, actually Riot has reworked Cassio exactly in the champion that is supposed to function as...

Flaherty1 votes

I think they should just increase the damage rather than decrease the cooldown, her E damage is garbage even with the double damage when someone is poisoned.

Ale non è male1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Man Lee Fisto,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UnHBBwhT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-09T16:04:04.786+0000)

I think they should just increase the damage rather than decrease the cooldown, her E damage is garbage even with the double damage when someone is poisoned.

I'd like Riot to actually buff something in the rest of the kit before putting more damage/lower CD on her E. Like, increase a bit AP ratio on Miasma damage and increase her MS (either act on base MS or strengthen the passive)

Enhance the alternative patterns on Cassio, and make Cassio players embrace them, as you can always return on her E numbers and adjust them later

Tesrac1 votes

Instead of movespeed they need to add selectable secondary enchantments that mimic what tier 2 boots do. Say each level she's can select from a few points of movespeed, spell oenetration, cool down reduction, ect. Allow her selections at 6, 11, and 16. Scale the value of each selection so that if she picks the same ones every time it will be comparable to tier 2 boots. To balance it they can adjust the base/scaling on the movement speed portion of the passive.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

Honestly I tested Cass a lot before the hotfix and I plain just got frustrated because she really did not do any damage no matter how I played or built her.

Ale non è male1 votes

I'm curious to hear your opinion on Cassio after the hotfix

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