I'm a toplane main. And instead of going into the new season practicing my mains...

Cunky·Jan 15, 2018·34 votes·2,988 views

I'm gonna practice Karma top, Lulu top, and Sona top.

This role honestly feels so useless. Why would I ever pick my usual Kled, Kennen, or Gnar, when I could just play a secondary support?

At least I'd have more impact as a secondary support. Honestly if I go 5/0 in lane as Kennen I don't think "We won." Because their 2/1 Vayne is still gonna dominate the game once she gets a zeal item and Infinity Edge.

Honestly why do I even play this shitty role anymore when I could play Jungle and still be able to play fun champs but actually have impact on the game.

You can check my op.gg, I'm not trying to clickbait when I say that I'm gonna practice Karma, Lulu, and Sona top. I get way more gold so I can peel for my ADC a lot better, why wouldn't I bring supports into the top lane?

99 Comments

BeatzBoyFTWJan 15, 201822 votes

Maokai Ornn Shen Chogath

All the list you provided are just typical Bruisers & Poke mage, Tank champions are still a better option instead of fking up the comp with squishies top.

Harden StepbackJan 16, 20183 votes

This. I'm maining maokai and shen this season.

LiteUpSketchersJan 16, 20185 votes

I'm maining xerath mid lane but don't be fooled. Ima be bot lane every 2 minutes because that's the only way I'm gonna win.

Pierce The VealJan 17, 20181 votes

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I'm maining xerath mid lane but don't be fooled. Ima be bot lane every 2 minutes because that's the only way I'm gonna win.

Try Xerath support. That's where the freelo is at.

T4underboltJan 16, 20181 votes

Chogath is full tank assassin, bruiser sustained dmg dealer. So is ornn but without assassin part.

ChoralJan 16, 20181 votes

This is very true. As an ADC, mostly Miss Fortune, main, these tanky disrupters are more powerful than a second support would be. It is much easier to dance around a support and kill them fast before they can gap-close on me than a tank with the same disruptive power. The tank just keeps coming in a team fight. I have to get help from my team to stall the tank or get forced out of the fight and lose.

Disruption is the main purpose of top lane right now. It sucks if you like making plays more than locking down your opponents, and that's why bruisers need to be more effective so there are options for that in top lane but I don't think bringing supports to top lane will help a team comp in this meta.

Milton FletcherJan 16, 201822 votes

im not even playing ranked until bruisers get fixed.

if riot makes another bullshit excuse and says they need to wait, im not playing ranked at all.

fuicking biased cockroaches have left this role to rot for years now while buffing the ever living fuck out of adcs

DISGUSTING

vgamedudeJan 16, 201815 votes

[{quoted}](name=Milton Fletcher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UJ2Ufhj0,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-01-16T00:01:46.598+0000)

im not even playing ranked until bruisers get fixed.

if riot makes another bullshit excuse and says they need to wait, im not playing ranked at all.

fuicking biased cockroaches have left this role to rot for years now while buffing the ever living fuck out of adcs

DISGUSTING

But dude we need more sick auto attack OUTPLAY comps on youtube

SpiritOfOdysseusJan 16, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Milton Fletcher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UJ2Ufhj0,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-01-16T00:01:46.598+0000)

im not even playing ranked until bruisers get fixed.

if riot makes another bullshit excuse and says they need to wait, im not playing ranked at all.

fuicking biased cockroaches have left this role to rot for years now while buffing the ever living fuck out of adcs

DISGUSTING

Then they buff the everfuck out of tanks like that "fixes" it

SilentBomberJan 16, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Milton Fletcher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UJ2Ufhj0,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-01-16T00:01:46.598+0000)

im not even playing ranked until bruisers get fixed.

if riot makes another bullshit excuse and says they need to wait, im not playing ranked at all.

fuicking biased cockroaches have left this role to rot for years now while buffing the ever living fuck out of adcs

DISGUSTING

So True.Players have been screaming for a month about bruisers' items being the most expensive in game.Instead we got a tiny patch with Heimer's nerf being the most important change.

KaìjuJan 16, 20183 votes

Not every ADC is broken, it's only a few that have not been nerfed. MF, Vayne, and Twitch are three that come to mind most. Carries like Ashe, Lucian, and Cait are borderline troll picks in low elo right now.

Queen Of TearsJan 16, 20181 votes

wellllllll, miss fortune is broken, im gonna just walk up to you and click q, your Poppy right? Oh it doesnt matter cause im still gonna one shot you. twitch and vayne both take a decent amount of skill and ashe, though she can seem really good, needs to get those autos off and if she cant get those autos off then she cant get her q so shes balanced.

T4underboltJan 16, 20182 votes

You know how to tell jokes. None Vayne nor twitch take any skill. And if you have lulu as your support then you can just go ham 2v5 kill everyone and get alive with almost full hp. Ashe is shit right now. She literally just deals no dmg and her utility is not even worth it plus she gets exploded instantly by any mobile champion.

KaìjuJan 16, 20181 votes

Ashe does less damage than every other ADC unless she builds 100% crit due to how her passive works. If you have 80% crit for 250% it will do more damage than her crits for 230% because Ashe can't even use her enhanced damage without first landing a no bonus auto. You have to use w beforehand but that's tossing an extra step in when Twitch can just press R or Vayne can just Q. Ashe has the highest win rate at 40+ minutes but games are faster and she doesn't do well until much later. Therefore Ashe is bad right now because she doesn't have the damage or survivability to make up for her weaker early and mid game compared to some carries who only get 50% crit and then things like lethality or armor pen.

RainXBladeJan 16, 20181 votes

I swear to God, I think Riot is really against melee carries and would rather let ppl play something that can deal 1k damage in one attack while being a kilometer away from his/her target.

This is not gameplay, this is uninteractive. I would rather have a meta be dominated by bruisers rather than playing a "protect the cannon" meta.

T4underboltJan 16, 20181 votes

Just to clarify. Ghostcrawler lead designer ruined WoW by screwing meeles hard and doing few other things, but the hate for meele is hard in him. And look how slowly since he was hired meeles were getting into shit season after season. Outside of obviously broken tanks.

I Love RosesJan 17, 20181 votes

Yeah calling them biased cockroaches is going to fixed the situation....

zarxus1234Jan 16, 20186 votes

lol bruisers are one of the best classes in this game. These top lane complaints are so over exaggerated its unreal.

Dasdi96Jan 16, 201814 votes

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lol bruisers are one of the best classes in this game. These top lane complaints are so over exaggerated its unreal.

The only bruisers that are good are those that use kleptomancy as a bandaid fix to their expensive itemization.

PopcornBunniJan 16, 20183 votes

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The only bruisers that are good are those that use kleptomancy as a bandaid fix to their expensive itemization.

so Illaoi Nasus

Well, and Camille Kled Jayce Jax Pantheon Darius Garen Rengar Gangplank Mordekaiser Kayle Riven Fiora

But if you just ignore those FIFTEEN champions, then yeah bruisers sure are in a tough spot!

nelogisJan 16, 20183 votes

Illaoi Yeah I give you that one Nasus That one too Camille + Kled more or less solid too Jayce Isn't a bruiser, he is his own thing Jax Is pure hot and steamy garbage right now Pantheon Isn't a bruiser, more like a Teemo but AD Darius Is garbage right now Garen Is garbage right now Rengar This is an assassin if you didn't notice Gangplank Not really a bruiser, he is his own thing Mordekaiser One of the worst champions right now Kayle Isn't a bruiser Riven + Fiora yeah I guess these 2 are good too

So we are at 6 bruiser being at not shit-tier! Oh baby lesgo!

Edit: I guess you can count these guys in there too Yorick Urgot . Still these champs aren't good they are just not shit-tier. I would rather have a Maokai or Ornn in my team than any of these you listed.

PopcornBunniJan 16, 20181 votes

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Edit: I guess you can count these guys in there too . Still these champs aren't good they are just not shit-tier. I would rather have a or in my team than any of these you listed.

Funny, because the ones I listed would give you a better chance of winning than having an Ornn. Maokai, Sion, and Malphite are the only viable tanks right now. Everything else has a sub 49% winrate.

Meanwhile Mordekaiser is the strongest toplane of all at the moment, and the others I listed are all in the upper half of top laners.

nelogisJan 16, 20182 votes

Based on your logic we should buff Ornn even more and nerf Mordekaiser

when was the last time you saw a Mordekaiser? When was the last time you saw Ornn?

How many times did you see Mordekaiser in the past 4 months? How many times did you see Ornn in the past 4 months?

You know lets say there is 1 Mordekaiser game played in the history of whole league and that guy playing him was a Morde one trick. He won and now Morde has a 100% winrate

Now imagine there are millions of Ornn games out there, reaching from people playing him the first time in rankeds to OTP's. The guys first timing him have a 45% winrate, the OTP's on the other hand 55% and it equals out in 50%.

See why you can't compare a low playrate champ to a high one? See why you can't take winrate alone into perspective when discussing a champions strength?

Edit: I don't have time to check the exact numbers as of right now but I will later. Have you checked on what elo these winrates are? I can imagine Darius being strong in gold yes.

redniwediSJan 16, 20181 votes

Is garbage right now

Only if you're not a one trick.

nelogisJan 16, 20181 votes

I just don't see a Garen working out if he is anything but a full Tank and at that point is a Tank and not a Bruiser.

I just never saw a Garen popping off as a true Bruiser thats why im sceptical of this guy's strength.

redniwediSJan 16, 20182 votes

Interestingly enough you've got it backward. Full tank Garen works great in low elo, but the higher up you go the more damage you need, because the windows for you to punish someone for their mistakes get smaller and smaller as you climb.

There are a few diamond+ Garen mains that really make him work well at high elo. He's so mechanically simple that you can spend all of your effort on macro level play. I definitely won't argue that overall Garen is pretty trash, but where there's a one trick there's a way, and Garen does have a kit that works well in the hands of a one trick.

nelogisJan 16, 20181 votes

Yeah but then the macro play of that player is insane wouldn't just switching the champ to a strong one make him automatically better?

And I don't know about the statement about Garen being good to one trick. Because his kit is so simple he is rather bad to one trick (I don't mean that one trick Garens are bad just that you hit the skill-cap relatively fast so one tricking doesn't do much)

But to each their own maybe one day a Garen will carry my ass and prove me wrong

redniwediSJan 16, 20181 votes

Just for the sake of clarity Garen is not good to one trick, he takes way too much effort to be as useful as other champions that do the same job. That said if someone did put the effort in he can be made to be good. I definitely wouldn't recommend him to someone who just wants to one trick their way through the ranks, but he's not a waste of time at high elo if you just want to play Garen yet also want to try climbing.

Garen is currently considered (by some) to be the best champion in the game to play when it comes to learning the game. He scales so hard with macro play and punishes you for macro level mistakes, all while mechanically being faceroll easy to play. Unless you're a diehard Garen fan the entire reason to play him right now is to learn what you can and apply it to the rest of your champion pool.

I don't mean that one trick Garens are bad just that you hit the skill-cap relatively fast so one tricking doesn't do much

That depends on what kind of skill you're talking about. Garen is from the old days when people would say League has two aspects you have to learn, mechanical capability and general game knowledge. This is better summarized as micro and macro play, respectively, and isn't really talked about anymore with how many mechanic heavy champions there are compared to game knowledge champs. Garen is clearly from the latter group, and so macro level play is the skill he scales off of. If you hit the macro skill cap then that is honestly impressive, but most people only consider mechanical skill and leave it at that.

To put it simply a Garen main won't be making any Faker level flashy plays, because he physically can't, but he can rotate and split push and catch your team off guard by playing the map at a level that is generally a few steps higher than other people of the same skill rating. I truly hope you get to see a good Garen player some day (please don't take me as an example, I'm just a lowly scrub), because while it's not an impressive sight it is worth seeing.

Thin AirJan 16, 20181 votes

Is pure hot and steamy garbage right now

If you think Jax is hot steamy garbage right now you haven't been paying attention, considering currently if Jax takes kleptomancy, he has one of the highest winrates for top laners. It's the people that are still taking Press the Attack that are making him look bad.

SpiritOfOdysseusJan 16, 20187 votes

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so

Well, and

But if you just ignore those FIFTEEN champions, then yeah bruisers sure are in a tough spot!

Illaoi ** Juggernaut ** who counterpicks bruisers Nasus Juggernaut who counterpicks bruisers Camille Diver too safe and mobile to be a bruiser Kled Diver absolutely shits on melee matchups. ranged cancer Jayce Marksman Are you fucking trolling Jax Actual bruiser Maybe not? Pantheon Diver Plays like an AD assassin to counter this asshole ^^ Darius Juggernaut Who's shit on by anything with mobility or range. Garen Juggernaut With the easiest kit in the game Rengar Assassin doesn't even go top Gangplank Marksman who shits on anything melee Mordekaiser You really posted him? Running out of ideas are we? Kayle Kayle picked to shit on melee champs Riven Diver Who is anti-melee Fiora Skirmisher bramble vest

General Esdeath Jan 16, 20184 votes

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Assassin doesn't even go top

I beg your pardon?

PopcornBunniJan 16, 20186 votes

{quoted} Marksman Are you fucking trolling Actual bruiser Maybe not? Diver Plays like an AD assassin to counter this asshole ^^ Juggernaut Who's shit on by anything with mobility or range.

Jax isn't a bruiser either he's a Skirmisher :^) diver Nocturne assassin Trundle juggernaut Tryndamere skirmisher Irelia diver Aatrox diver JarvanIV diver Olaf diver Udyr juggernaut Volibear juggernaut MonkeyKing diver Renekton diver XinZhao diver Rumble battlemage RekSai diver Urgot juggernaut

Oops haha guess this game doesn't have any bruisers

General Esdeath Jan 16, 20184 votes

"bruisers"

"Here's a list of juggernauts, fighters, 2 ranged pokers, and an assassin along with some bruisers who don't really do good unless they're ahead and in a 1v1"

PopcornBunniJan 16, 20181 votes

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"bruisers"

"Here's a list of juggernauts, fighters, 2 ranged pokers, and an assassin along with some bruisers who don't really do good unless they're ahead and in a 1v1"

List a single bruiser in the game.

General Esdeath Jan 16, 20181 votes

Riven Irelia Camille JarvanIV Kled and I want to say Fiora but bruisers tend to not have true damage like hers. It might on a small ability or (in Camille's case) their only damaging ability that's an auto reset, but she has it on her passive.

PopcornBunniJan 16, 20181 votes

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and I want to say but bruisers tend to not have true damage like hers. It might on a small ability or (in Camille's case) their only damaging ability that's an auto reset, but she has it on her passive.

You listed a bunch of divers and two skirmishers. I asked for bruisers.

General Esdeath Jan 16, 20181 votes

Riot doesn't have a classification for "bruiser" anymore and you're using the hip new terms. A bruiser is someone who can go melee and deal some consistent damage while taking a decent amount of damage.

MeriipuJan 16, 20183 votes

I dont get why people downvote you bruisers is and have been absolutely disgusting for so long build tanky, "nobody" can kill you, still deal tons of damage and practically solo carry fights

zarxus1234Jan 17, 20181 votes

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I dont get why people downvote you bruisers is and have been absolutely disgusting for so long build tanky, "nobody" can kill you, still deal tons of damage and practically solo carry fights

I can take a couple of guesses.

Popular opinion is that bruisers are weak and adc's are god tier on these forums. Some of the threads on these forums about adc's that get upvoted are just ridiculous.
I think its more of top lane being terrible right now, it seems more luck based due to jungler. If you get behind you are pretty much screwed.

But whenever i bring up bruisers aren't actually that bad every one just calls me a troll without saying why they are terrible, while completely ignoring every argument i make.

Dingding123Jan 16, 20186 votes

I play Renekton top.

I help win because of the scaling runes I take.

Let that sink in for a minute.

TengenToppaGnarJan 16, 20181 votes

But, when are the AI hard to beat? LMAO, I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. Ren seems to be a champ who benefits from the current runes, unlike a lot of others, though I think Nasus benefits a fuckton more with a build that shouldn't even be that effective.

Sp33d Zer0Jan 16, 20181 votes

He benefits from some base runes but all his keystones kind of suck

Dingding123Jan 16, 20181 votes

haha I play this season on my alt acc. Not this one.

redniwediSJan 16, 20185 votes

I'm gonna practice Karma top, Lulu top,

As a fellow top lane main I have only one thing to say; you're a monster.

Jinzo TorranceJan 15, 20184 votes

Don't forget Klepto

Critmaster GarenJan 16, 20183 votes

why do you think tanks are meta on top lane?

theyre effectively supports.

TengenToppaGnarJan 16, 20182 votes

Foo, ya fool, use Alistar, he's pretty fucking busted for an off-meta top laner :P

PopcornBunniJan 16, 20181 votes

Kled top has one of the highest winrates in the game at plat+.

SpiritOfOdysseusJan 16, 20183 votes

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Kled top has one of the highest winrates in the game at plat+.

Its sad when the only nontanks that're viable top are virtual cancer

SirLapseJan 16, 20181 votes

Kled is one of the only top laners that has an all-in and can roam with it after taking a lead in his lane. Things like Darius can't take Teleport and be rewarded for it, yet Kled doesn't need Teleport to make smarter plays on the map. I remember Quinn being able to do similar things back when she was really meta.

If your champ can't get access to teleport and they have no way around it, then they can't snowball a lead for your team very well in solo queue. So it all falls under the splitpush and skirmish for top laner, and usually you need to trade off one or the other because the champ in question can't do two things at once. Kled, Fiora, Illaoi, and some other picks are exceptional at what they do and do not take trade-offs to do it.