Jungle Champs

Phenyxs·Apr 28, 2016·2 votes·453 views

So sense server is down, I was going to post this. 3 days now and a average of 6-8 hours a day gaming. I am finding that who ever is jungle for that game is not ganking. Been told over and over that it is not a requirement. I ping, other lanes ping and call out the jungle (Example ) Rengar come top plz. I am very curious where and why this has started? Every once in awhile you may find that person who will not gank or fill in so you can go get items. But this is every game unless I throw my hat in to jungle now. Which I don't mind but I would like to run other champs also. Anyone experiencing this? Because I know the other members on my teams are.

9 Comments

Dustin89xApr 29, 20161 votes

i agree man gd thoughts. but wat about Ryze jg??

PhenyxsApr 29, 20161 votes

I don't think Ryze can jg nor have I ever seen it done. And I have seen the weirdest champs attempt to jg to only fail and be left with no jungle support.

MotrColtApr 29, 20161 votes

Ganking a specific lane just because someone says plox help im dying! People need to be able to farm and play safe when behind. However the jungler does need to be ganking somewhere. Afk farming isn't really viable unless your team is just wrecking lanes and they are killing the enemy before you get there so you're not really needed.

PhenyxsApr 29, 20161 votes

I hear you. I don't ask by typing or ping unless I am 2 down early. 9/10 of the time it is due to there jg gank and camping and tower diving. Not a whole lot I can do. I will ask for help and also let them know that II am being camped. And the response is, it isn't required. They go bttm lane after. I am amazed. I ask a short time later and I have been given the reason I don't like your opponent champ. You 3 did the bans. You know who I am taking. So? And I do try to take the best counter possible. The only hard time is when you pick first and can not counter. Then as you pointed out, My team of 3 or 4 grouped harass me with reporting for feeding. Now I don't feed but do get caught out nd turret dived a lot. So they file a report and it adds up and bam. I loose everything I worked on and for in this game. I rarely get a good jungle that wants to do what I do and walk thru just to be around. I will ping them off if I am ok. That way no added attention is required and when I need the help it is there. But this isn't the case as of late.

MotrColtApr 29, 20162 votes

Sounds like you are specifically talking about top, know if you want to main top lane alot of time you are going to be left alone on an island. Bottom has 2 people and is more valuable to gank while mid is often times a big source of damage and a lane that you want to get ahead because they control most of the map. Top lane is a lane you don't want to pour all of your team gold into. Should you still get ganks? yea of course, but not nearly as often and some games it may not happen at all. If you want to top lane main you have to kinda just deal with it, go watch some dyrus games, he is great at this.

PhenyxsApr 29, 20161 votes

Top is where I was but this issue is for all lanes. I was mid and I asked for some pressure relief for a second and told no. I don't have to gank. OK. Top is a solo lane but if you are turret dived for a death and they repeat it and no help, not much you can do. As far as bttm, that's a feeding frenzy for jg champs because it is the most one sided lane ever. Feed or get fed. I get the lanes the feed. last night I went top to help top lane and did my mid lane but I was running yasuo. My favorite. and pushed lanes and towers and there nexus. Jg wouldn't do it. And the team laid into that person after game.

Leopards GhostApr 29, 20161 votes

youve stumbled on the biggest problem dynamic queue introduced: confirmation of "lane selection" & an unalterable, five-layered team comp.

no more dual jungle, no more duo top, & support is having the hardest time they've ever had finding decent players to work with because the ability to create matchups in pregame is predecided.

for example: many people simply wont play support. period. so the queue is short but youre stuck playing with champs who've never played support & dont understand the role.

the biggest foreseeable obstacle this poses isnt what's going on now but the idea that, at some point, riot is going to have to create & enforce "lane requirements" to keep dynamic queue viable - not because it's coded poorly but - because the players arent getting along & now they feel justified spamming reports on "bad players" who simply lost a lane. at this point everything is up for debate.

riot, imo (& its jmo) you're going to need to rework the reporting system to keep this thing running. the mechanics are fine but your only other option will be to put everyone in a box and close the lid.

SanguinelyApr 29, 20161 votes

The only time jungle shouldn't gank is if they're behind in levels/gold and have a hard time when they do gank, most junglers have a decent way into lane. I play heavy gank junglers primarily (rengar, zak, khazix, and tryndamere) tryndamere is lesser gank focused atm because of having to stack devourer but that'll be gone next patch.

with junglers i feel like they're the "Pin sitters" of the game in a sense, because if someone in a lane dies, and they're nearby they can come in, push back the wave to middle ground (cause most times someone gets a kill they either recall or are low, either way) you come into lane, reset the minions so theres no turret damage, and leave when laner comes back. although, I do not think it's the job of the jungler to come to whatever lane is pinging for help,

the jungler has the right to decide where he spends his time. I usually ignore pings and just do what im going to anyway because most lane players do not play jungle therefore don't realize the intricate details of what is involved in jungling, timing your smite for certain camp buffs, staying hidden from wards, making sure you dont get counterjungled, timing buff and camp respawns for optimal farming, scuttlecrab and drag/rift herald control, jungling is a very complicated role in iself just because it isn't as simple as being in a lane and holding your tower and farming

when a jungler stops what they're doing to help a lane pingng for help, either A-was already headed there anyway or B-left what he was doing to help.

a lot of the time if you want a gank what you'd want to do is watch where the jungler is at, example is if you're on blue side top lane, and you'd like a gank from a jungler that starts red buff, you're probbly not going to get it as soon as the game starts, because of him being on the opposite side of the map, but if you notice your jungler heading to top side jungle, you can let the minion wave push and let the enemy laner overextend, then ping for a gank. I'm more inclined to help lanes I'm near than having to go across the map ever. though if you'd like the jungler to hold lane so you can get items, only bad ones will ever not ablige, thats freefarm that the jungler would otherwise not have and that nobody would have if they would have died to tower while you are away.

Also, ryze jungle sounds like it would be good to an extent, he has a shield, a root for ganking decent wave clear when he gets ult and sustain with ult as well, (which is on a pretty short cooldown since the rework) I've never tried it but it actually sounds pretty decent as long as you can survive the first 3-4 levels, going to try it out later on tonight