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What if sightstone wasn't just for supports?

ForgottenStone··4 votes·1,738 views

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So I noticed some of the most common complaints in the game are indirectly related to sightstone.

Nobody wants to ward. Few people want to support. Support didn't build sightstone. Full lethality assassins killing everyone and we can't do anything. Etc.

And one of the big problems with sightstone is that while it's useful for your team as it grants vision, it doesn't really give the buyer any good personal stats, making it an item that only a support would build.

So one solution I thought of was what if sightstone could be used by non-supports effectively without gimping builds too much?

New item 2049 : +180 hp +15 Armor +15 Magic Resist 1000 gold price Built from: item 1028 + item 1029

Or if that build does make sense: New item 2049 : +150 hp +15 Armor +25 Magic Resist 1150 gold price Built from: item 1028 + item 1029 + item 1033

While this will make it 200 gold more expensive it will also be a little over 100% gold efficient at the start. So this will buff supports but also may allow other team members incorporate a sightstone in their build, putting less of a burden on the support for warding. More people will ward, full lethality assassins become a little less OP if more people ward, less complaints about people not building sight stone, and since supports get a buff maybe people will like supporting a little more.

Another crazier idea I had was what if we buff sight stone and add 2 alternative sight stones?

Sight Blade: +150 hp +20 Attack damage 1000 gold price Built from: item 1028 + item 1036

Sight Totem: +150 hp +32 Ability Power 1000 gold price Built from: item 1028 + item 1052

17 Comments

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Junglers used to frequently get Sightstone, but with the advent of the Warding Totem the whole team has lots of free wards now; it's not Sightstone's fault that they don't use them. The jungler also has access to the Tracker's Knife if needed.

ForgottenStone1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U3mvgzY3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-03-01T20:11:42.864+0000)

Junglers used to frequently get Sightstone, but with the advent of the Warding Totem the whole team has lots of free wards now; it's not Sightstone's fault that they don't use them. The jungler also has access to the Tracker's Knife if needed.

I know warding totem gives free wards and you can get a tracker's knife but man sight stone is only useful for placing wards it's base stats are terrible. So I think a buff maybe in order.

MagicFlyingLlama2 votes

No reason to mess up the metagame to fix bronze V problems.

No matter how many nice stats you put on a sightstone, it is still going to give less item 3078 than other items, so bronze trash will refuse to build it.

The tipping point is when it becomes just as good as other damage or defensive items, and suddenly everyone is building sightstone, junglers and roaming mids are useless, sweeping lens is useless due to sheer volume of wards, jax and lee are even more obnoxious (8 wards. lee would have 8 wards).

ForgottenStone1 votes

{quoted}

No reason to mess up the metagame to fix bronze V problems.

No matter how many nice stats you put on a sightstone, it is still going to give less item 3078 than other items, so bronze trash will refuse to build it.

The tipping point is when it becomes just as good as other damage or defensive items, and suddenly everyone is building sightstone, junglers and roaming mids are useless, sweeping lens is useless due to sheer volume of wards, jax and lee are even more obnoxious (8 wards. lee would have 8 wards).

How could Lee get 8 wards up if the game only allows 3 wards per person?

Yaśuo Main2 votes

3 wards ACTIVE. Not 3 wards in the entire game. He'd pretty much see everything to the river.

ForgottenStone1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yaśuo Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U3mvgzY3,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-03-01T20:29:49.834+0000)

3 wards ACTIVE. Not 3 wards in the entire game. He'd pretty much see everything to the river.

I already know game allows each individual to have 3 active wards, that's why I said 3 wards per person..

Also lee already can simply place multiple wards down with a sightstone or tracker's knife combined with totem, so nothing changes, besides the stats being a little better.

So with teamwork team managed to get 8 wards up at the same time?

What's so bad about that?

EDIT: Plus if Lee Sin is using the sight stone other people should be as well so you should see his ganks coming.

Yaśuo Main2 votes

It makes Baron impossible to do because atleast one ward will be there, and atleast one person will see the ward being destroyed.

It literally makes objectives infinitely harder to do without them knowing, because it's much easier to get wards with actual good stats.

That's what bad about it, too many wards. I never thought too many wards would happen.

FeuerfalkeFX1 votes

Technically Lee can already have 8 wards, but no one does that because it's not efficient. If Sightstone suddenly becomes as strong as regular items there is nothing holding him back (loss of other stats) from buying it.

Rebonack2 votes

I've pitched ideas like this before, but I would say we should be even MORE radical about it.

Turn Sightstone into a basic item that costs some small amount of gold, gives no stats, and provides the warding active. Then give it an upgrade that would be attractive to every single class of champions.

item 2049 + item 3067 + item 3105 item 2049 + item 3086 + item 3122 item 2049 + item 3134 + item 3133 item 2049 + item 3101 + item 1043 item 2049 + item 3108 + item 3113

Give them all interesting unique passives focused on vision and utility. Make them gold/slot efficient enough that absolutely everyone should be buying one. Make it so warding is actually the job of the whole team.

Proxy3451 votes

Its not like top lane or jungle couldn't build it lol

jaymc11301 votes

I dunno about sightstone for other champs, but I did have this idea:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/HXrZe1e6-so-i-was-reading-hds-thread-in-gameplay-and-i-got-to-thinking

It doesn't appear to be very popular. It's also not all that well thought out. It's just a snippet of an potential concept and not really a fully formed idea.

Colgate Minuette1 votes

The existing support+sightstone items exist and aren't going anywhere?

I build item 2301 on almost every AP support I play. Lulu, Lux, Janna. Because I don't feel like sacrificing an entire slot for a sightstone just so I can have some tiny passive that kinda helps catch people. I'd rather have another support item like item 3107 item 3190 item 3222

You can build them on other champions and it still works.

Amumu can build item 2301 Ivern Can build item 2301 item 2303 Lux Can build item 2301 Nautilus Can build item 2303

And these items are BETTER than the items you're proposing so I don't understand? Do you just not know they exist or are you begging for some armor/mr to be put on the tank item? Cause I'm pretty sure extra gold income and 500 health isn't exactly shit considering it also comes with 4 wards.

ForgottenStone1 votes

Those items aren't exactly slot efficient on non-supports.

They are also not that gold-efficient unless you rush it to make the most out of the gold generation passive. So basically only really useful on supports.

What I'm proposing is to make sightstone itself better like give it beefier stats.

For example: item 2049 +150 HP +15 AR +25 MR 3 wards 1150 gold

item 2045 +300 HP +30 AR +50 MR 4 wards (maybe allow the user to place 4 wards instead of 3 but idk) Item Active cooldowns are reduced by 20%.

2300 gold

That would be a really good alternative tank item and a really slot efficient purchase for supports and tanks. Because right now most people rarely even build a ruby sightstone because of just how inefficient it is, they just get the sightstone and leave it at that until real late in the game and they have excess gold.

Colgate Minuette1 votes

{quoted} item 2045 +300 HP +30 AR +50 MR 4 wards (maybe allow the user to place 4 wards instead of 3 but idk) Item Active cooldowns are reduced by 20%.

2300 gold

(Ignore this I'm stupid edited it out)

ForgottenStone1 votes

4 wards (can only place 3 at a time) and 20% item active reduction is the basic stat on the normal base Ruby sightstone. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ruby_Sightstone

In fact I changed nothing but decreased the health from 500 to 300 and increased resistance from 0 to 30 armor and 50 magic resist. I also increased the cost from a total of 1600 for Ruby to 2300.

So if 20% active item cd reduction is that powerful why doesn't anyone already buy it on Zed?

Critmaster Garen1 votes

my brain just did something really weird, where instead of seeing a thumbnail of lulu resting her head on her arms, it looked like there were 3 tentacles coming out of her face and for a second, i saw a cthlulu instead.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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