what are your thoughts on sylas support atm? i mean he has a hook and great damage output nice damage etc ? so im thinking why not sylas support it would be the same as having a mage support but hes a mage with a hook etc? could also steal great ults from other supports also as a bonus im also thinking make neeko support or just waiting till the new support comes out soon maybe? what are your thoughts? because sylas has a great hook with low cd + a shield on top of it ?
Sylas is too item dependent for damage output. Most of what he does is very close range and that will suffer in a lot of match ups. The ultimate stealing mechanic is not reliable enough to play it consistently and lacking the gold to build AP items will make all of the non-utility ultimates in the game pointless.
Neeko is one you can make work kind of. She practically has a Morgana stun that goes through minions. If you want a Morgana stun though, you might as well just pick Morgana since she isn't nearly as reliant on items and has a great Support tool with Black Shield. Ultimately, Neeko will have the same struggles as Sylas. If you are incapable of being oppressive in the entire laning phase or if you can't get a big lead extremely early, a traditional Support who isn't as item reliant will start passing you in effectiveness very quickly.
That said, Sylas has about a 46% win rate and Neeko has a 50.6% winrate. Take it for what it is worth.
because he is abusable and if your adc doesn't follow and commit you die on retreat ive tried it in diamond against players that don't know what sylas does it works against players that do you can't do anything at all
wait for sylas buffs before you play him support until then stick to mid/top
You can sup with a spoon if you are good
Few basic rules for a sup champ
1 Must be able to be efficient without farm 2 Must be able to help bot and teammates in one or more categories: Defense (es: shield, heal, etc) Attack (es: peel and poke) Utility (es: cc, buffs, handicap to enemy...)
2.a possibly be a good combination with bot 2.b and a counter against opponent botlane
If the champ is able to fulfill both points, it's good to go.
Sylas can work as surely Neeko do
He actually work better as sup and jg than any other role if we take in consideration his ult, in bot he can steal it from 2 champ while in jg he can steal it from anyone, so more refresh on his low cd ult
-Counters, since his kit foresee close combat he will suffer against ranged cc and mobile champs -CC, 2 weaks but one is a hard cc -Sustain, 60 / 80 / 100 / 120 / 140 (+ 40% AP) to 105 / 140 / 175 / 210 / 245 (+ 70% AP) -Ult 85/50/15 + 200% of target ult cd, so as mentioned above he can steal more often in bot lane
He can excel against tank sup or immobile bot His build rely heavily on ap and as a sup he will suffer some how for the low income but mostly for the sup item (ward and boots) but a good player can overcome with a good laning and Meja (one of the best item for attack sup)
Ult, is very dependent by the enemies, against some champ it will be quite useless, but in the lucky situation it will be ludicrous (85/50/15 with 40% cd of ults that have way longer cd will give the feeling to be in urf)
