A Vayne Thought

Beached Manatee·Feb 27, 2018·2 votes·313 views

What if, instead of adding true damage on the third hit, her W just converts the attack's damage to true damage? It could scale like 20/40/60/80/100% and still would shred tanks like she's supposed to. Sure, she'd still blow up squishies with that insaaaaaane damage that all the ADC's are infected with but, should that part be resolved, I think it would be healthier for her. Thoughts?

On a side note: to all those adc's blowing up an enemy team without a problem, why aren't you ever on my team? [zombie-nunu-bummed]

9 Comments

Masala ChaiFeb 27, 20182 votes

Your "solution" has the exact opposite effect, it would make her better against squishies (think 300 AD = 300 true damage) as opposed to percent (ADC has 1800 HP, 270 true damage), add any bonus AD from infernal drake, her ulti, and you've got an ADC killing machine.

Beached ManateeFeb 28, 20182 votes

But with high damage and low armor, it seems like the effect should hardly be changed.

Did the math and it would be a ~140 increase on the average ADC with GA (120 armor) at level 18 with IE crit. But without a crit it would be a ~100 decrease

Plus I suppose it would make building item 3046 item 3047 item 3143 item 3193 feelsbad against her

Masala ChaiFeb 28, 20182 votes

Silver Bolts cannot crit, true damage cannot be reduced.

Beached ManateeFeb 28, 20181 votes

The attack that applies the third stack can crit. As it is now, the crit would deal ~340 with IE after 120 armor, plus the 270 in TD, but the crit attack would be 650 if that third attack were converted to true damage, hence a 140 increase over what it currently is. I know True damage can't be reduced, which is why a pure true damage third shot would make those items feel bad.

yZfYArleneFeb 27, 20181 votes

She would be a caster minion for the first 15 min of the game. This would force her to max W first again

Beached ManateeFeb 27, 20181 votes

I was thinking it would devalue her w some because it wouldn't add too much damage for laning

VICKLIUSFeb 27, 20181 votes

60/70/80/90/100, 80/85/90/95/100 would be other options for the ratio, but the main thing that this would have to allow is it to sync w/ hurricane.

the main thing you need to do is show some dmg calculations showing us how much dmg she would lose/gain from this to justify it to riot and community, is this a nerf or a buff? I'm gonna say it a nerf because non super minions have 0 arm so no dmg gained, currently a 2000 hp tank takes dmg =240/3=80 dmg per aa, if she 100 ad, tank 50% physical resist,= 50/3=15dmg per aa, u would then have to think about adding arm pen

an I'm for hurricane working w/ her but don't believe rest would work , I mean varus gets 15% max hp bonus dmg, granted as magic dmg but also has bonus dmg every aa

Beached ManateeFeb 28, 20181 votes

It'd most likely be a major nerf early but come back as a major buff later. Let's say the average Vayne gets w second (I think they do, at least) and let's say she's matched up vs Caitlyn because she got counter picked and both only have item 1055 . Ignoring any bonuses from runes, as most don't take effect until later, these are their stats (rounded to whole numbers): Vayne's AD= V2AD=73 Caitlyn's HP= C2HP= 616 Caitlyn's Armor= C2A= 35 Silver Bolt's Damage (Dmg) would hence be 73x(100/(100+35))+(.04x616) (I'm only writing out the full equation once because it's on a line of text) Dmg2=78 Meanwhile the proposed Silver Bolt's Damage (hDmg) would be 73x.8x(100/(100+35))+.2x73 hDmg2=58 In laning phase, it hurts her ability to trade with the enemy ADC and her ability to shove waves (since otherwise you rarely proc it last hitting) I'm gonna skip all the hypotheticals of mid game and go straight to late game. Most Caitlyns tend not to build much more than GA for defense, but I figure the average Vayne build includes item 3031 item 3508 item 3153 item 3026 item 2140 then maybe a couple Zeal items for 100% crit (I don't play Vayne much, so feel free to correct me on this) and during her ult, which is where her damage is at its highest: V18AD=382 C18HP=1920 C18A=122 Dmg18=660 hDmg18=955 It comes back quite violently at 285 more with an IE crit by then, but Vayne is supposed to come back late game and murder everything, right?