cant play my main role top lane anymore

Morgy Morgy·Apr 11, 2016·4 votes·1,624 views

too much freedom allowed up there. the last game I played was shen vs pantheon. damn, I LOVE getting chunked by a point and click ability every 3 seconds. my existence in the game puts me at risk of getting chunked by his spears. ranged top laners are cancer, too. quinn, graves, teemo. every person I lane against is a lane bully, like volibear, pantheon or FUCKING DARIUS so now I'm maining jungle and adc. it's a shame, because I was really enjoying shen in ranked. when they fix some of this bullshit up, i'll go back top.

43 Comments

1st MovementApr 11, 20164 votes

Knowing how to counter play it is what you should learn to do

A simple fact ranged counters bruisers

CrossetteApr 11, 20161 votes

Except when bruisers build item 3009 and walk up to you anyways.

1st MovementApr 11, 20161 votes

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Except when bruisers build and walk up to you anyways.

take a look at fizz hes melee but he eats ranged champions like Quinn like its nothing

CrossetteApr 11, 20161 votes

Fizz has high mobility, and he's nowhere near a bruiser.

He's an assassin/mage, mate. :P

1st MovementApr 11, 20161 votes

can be played like a bruiser and still stop range champions

abusing gap closer is how bruiser can win

CrossetteApr 12, 20161 votes

Except most bruisers aren't intended to have extremely reliable gap closers.

They even tried to nerf bruiser Fizz.

1st MovementApr 12, 20161 votes

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Except most bruisers aren't intended to have extremely reliable gap closers.

They even tried to nerf bruiser Fizz.

exactly that means if u know how your champion works then you should be able to counter play bullies like graves and quiin

CrossetteApr 12, 20161 votes

Unless they're super oppressive.

I haven't seen many players counter Zed, even if they main him.

1st MovementApr 12, 20161 votes

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Unless they're super oppressive.

I haven't seen many players counter Zed, even if they main him.

Ryze and rammus beat him hard

CrossetteApr 12, 20161 votes

Talking about in lane here, especially if you get counterpicked.

"Counterplay" barely exists.

And when does Rammus ever fight Zed in lane? WHEN DOES RAMMUS LANE? Not to mention Ryze has no mobility spells or ways to stop Zed when he ults aside from one snare that is situationally chainable.

1st MovementApr 13, 20161 votes

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Talking about in lane here, especially if you get counterpicked.

"Counterplay" barely exists.

And when does Rammus ever fight Zed in lane? WHEN DOES RAMMUS LANE? Not to mention Ryze has no mobility spells or ways to stop Zed when he ults aside from one snare that is situationally chainable.

I don't know about rammus but I saw one in one of my game literally sand bagging our zed (in plat elo)

Ryze has good mobility after 6 . You can kill zed bc your gonna be more Tanky and have more dmg then zed after you get items. Its moving between your spells (essentially kiting). If you played enough ryze games like me you can deal wiith zed.

BattleBoarApr 11, 20164 votes

I'm really at a lose. Its more freedom a good thing in a lane? I thought that means you can play what ever you what and not get yell at for it.

PDE5 InhibApr 11, 20163 votes

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I'm really at a lose. Its more freedom a good thing in a lane? I thought that means you can play what ever you what and not get yell at for it.

No. OP is talking about how he wants the champion he plays to be the strongest champion.

BattleBoarApr 11, 20161 votes

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No. OP is talking about how he wants the champion he plays to be the strongest champion.

Ah.

CrossetteApr 11, 20161 votes

No, he's saying that the meta sucks dick and that some fixes need to be made.

You realize any tank right now can build item 3068 and item 3025 and destroy their opponent that tries to build anything else?

Too busy playing Caitlyn for free wins in solo queue to care?

RalanrApr 11, 20161 votes

Sunfire is a bit strong (tank main) in its waveclear. Once built you really don't have to worry about losing CS anymore.

PDE5 InhibApr 11, 20162 votes

Hello friend! Might I ask what changes led to those two items being, in your opinion, OP? I don't remember them being changed recently.

Not too mention I don't think that Panth or any top lane ranged champs build those items....which is what OP was complaining about. It seems your bitch and OP's bitch are two different bitches. OP's complaint is that "everything is too strong".

Also, how is Caitlyn free wins if tanks can build 2 items and destroy anyone? Stahp being a business major.

CrossetteApr 11, 20161 votes

I'm not saying any changes were made.

Nothing happened to item 3512 , and look at it now? Best item in the game in most people's eyes?

Iceborn was a thing on blue Ezreal, then everyone realized that the stats and spellblade combined were super efficient for the low cost.

Sunfire has always been a great item. :P

Also, hello friend. Seems like we'll be talking quite a bit.

PDE5 InhibApr 11, 20161 votes

But you didn't explain how if

You realize any tank right now can build and and destroy their opponent that tries to build anything else?

is true, how

Too busy playing Caitlyn for free wins in solo queue to care?

Is also true?

CrossetteApr 11, 20161 votes

I was referring to a seperate post with the Caitlyn thing.

I kind of just explained the two items. Two posts above this. Sunfire's AOE combined with the AOE of IBG makes it so both waveclear and poke are extremely easy for melee champions and ranged champions alike. While IBG is less effective on ranged champions, they take it more (if at all) for the spellblade proc. That would also be less effective because they have lower base AD than bruisers, which is why they build sterak's.

Also, I really can't argue that I have the same argument as the original post. I'm just stating my claim here. :)

PDE5 InhibApr 11, 20161 votes

But your original post was trying to say what OP meant lol. In which case, it isn't. He was saying everything is OP and only his champ should be lol.

CrossetteApr 11, 20161 votes

The original post was saying top as a whole is stupid right now.

He's saying he was enjoying Shen. That doesn't automatically mean he wants him to be the new OP. I'm 5 mastery Gnar. They dumped him into this meta, then NERFED HIM IN A META WHERE HE SUCKS. Does that mean I want him to be overpowered?

When a Volibear with a Bami's Cinder chases you down and four-shots you after your jump, something is wrong.

The Sword SaintApr 11, 20161 votes

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The original post was saying top as a whole is stupid right now.

He's saying he was enjoying Shen. That doesn't automatically mean he wants him to be the new OP. I'm 5 mastery Gnar. They dumped him into this meta, then NERFED HIM IN A META WHERE HE SUCKS. Does that mean I want him to be overpowered?

When a Volibear with a Bami's Cinder chases you down and four-shots you after your jump, something is wrong.

Gnar reks the shit out of tanky melee tops. Why would he ever be bad in a tank meta?

There's literally nothing a tanky melee champ can do to touch a gnar if the gnar plays the matchup correctly. A volibear would need to get pretty close and then flash to lay a single paw on gnar and then gnar can just double hop away or even just use his own flash if its down for some reason.

CrossetteApr 11, 20161 votes

Like, Gnar should.

But they nerfed him.

And the meta right now is TECHNICALLY a bruiser meta.

Something Gnar can deal with, but struggles with in some matchups.

Problem is, the itemization right now heavily favors bruisers and marksmen while Gnar is stuck rushing BC and frozen mallet. I haven't seen IBG or Sterak's on Gnar, but Sunfire is the one item he can build and still do ok with.

The Sword SaintApr 11, 20161 votes

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Like, Gnar should.

But they nerfed him.

And the meta right now is TECHNICALLY a bruiser meta.

Something Gnar can deal with, but struggles with in some matchups.

Problem is, the itemization right now heavily favors bruisers and marksmen while Gnar is stuck rushing BC and frozen mallet. I haven't seen IBG or Sterak's on Gnar, but Sunfire is the one item he can build and still do ok with.

It's not a matter of items. Gnars kit fundamentally counters tanky melees. I'm not talking about a dps race that comes down to whoever has the highest numbers where item meta and nerfs/buffs matters. gnar just whittles down the enemy tank every single time they go for a cs until they die, back, or try for a desperate all in in which case gnar just hops back and in ~12 seconds or whatever when his hop is back up he takes an aggressive stance again. Untouched.

Sure, gnar is a bit mechanically difficult to control in mini form for a long period of time since he plays sort of like a draven in that he has to be spamming and catching boomerangs and getting caught in melee can be a death sentence (if he doesn't have rage). However, thats a skill floor issue. Someone who plays gnar regularly and has no trouble playing like a bruiser-adc will just shit all over tank melees for years even 0 items to 6 because of the kiting potential.

JhaerikApr 11, 20161 votes

That doesn't work so well vs Irelia or Vlad. People just want to play a 3 champion pool and complain when their favorite champ/item build isn't current meta.

CrossetteApr 11, 20161 votes

Nothing works well against Vlad.

Irelia, I can't really say much about. She's just obnoxious.

JhaerikApr 11, 20161 votes

Honestly Vayne or Corki tend to deal very well against that setup as well. As does Karma, Morg... you get the idea. Any form of True/Magic/% health damage and the ability to either trade or poke well is going to shut that down. It's just really effective against a lot of traditional fighters/bruisers that need to stay close to CS.

I mean if you really hate Iceborn->Sunfire.... Play Teemo and lol yourself silly. All you need is a Liandry's to shut it down. If they rush specters they are now half an item behind everyone else, and are doing limited damage.

The Bearded BardApr 11, 20163 votes

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so now I'm maining jungle and adc.

What are you gonna do when you go against counter junglers and aggressive bot lane comps? That leaves only mid lane, but with champions like Zed Leblanc Fizz etc, there's not much of a safe haven there either.

venomous frostApr 11, 20162 votes

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every person I lane against is a lane bully, like volibear,

really?

maybe it's time you learned matchups

Shuyin178Apr 11, 20162 votes

You complain like the Pantheon player I crushed with Illaoi a few months ago. Pantheon : "I'm going to destroy you!" Me : Ok then. -30 seconds later I kill him- Me : "What was that? I'm sorry your corpse will need to talk louder."

ShahamutApr 13, 20161 votes

I lost really bad to an Illaoi as Pantheon one time... Now its my go to counter when someone picks pantheon. :P

TwinkieProApr 11, 20161 votes

Shen doesn't really fight. I play with friend who loves the shit out of Shen, and just watching him, he never fights, and only trades back. If he gets poked often, he hangs back and will miss CS if necessary. If the enemy is being aggressive, you could ask your jungler for help, but in the meantime, stack armor hard and hang back.

Hentai LewdsApr 11, 20161 votes

that has to be so much fun wow

RalanrApr 11, 20161 votes

Sometimes our fun doesn't start in top lane, but in teamfights.

JhaerikApr 11, 20161 votes

^That is basically devourer jg's in a nutshell as well. Shen is now Season 2 Irelia. Hump tower until you have 3-4 items... win team fights.

RalanrApr 11, 20161 votes

That's most tanks really. At least for a lot of seasons.

TwinkieProApr 11, 20161 votes

If your jungler comes to help, you can engage on the enemy. Shen is tanky enough, and does enough damage, to draw out a duel with most top laners, and with a CC dash can catch them running away. Shen has his strengths and weaknesses, like most other champs, and you have to play around them.

Thund3r Ang3lApr 11, 20161 votes

Shen should not rly loose lane, You just punish your opponant for being too agressive. All Shen needs is gold and itemisation is really important for the ninja. There is some matchup where you can dominate as long as you have enough communication and map awarness and Know how to trade and outplay. Do you rly expect Shen to be free of counter top ? :o You can lane vs anyone if you are passive but punish agressive plays at the same time.

CrossetteApr 11, 20161 votes

Voli really doesn't have any counters as far as my own experience is concerned.

I literally had a 13 win streak on him a little while back rushing item 3748 into item 3025 against any team because balanced tank itemization amirite

DJ KatarinaApr 11, 20161 votes

Shen top is fine, lane bullys are usually challenging early game and then fall off later. Just play safer vs them in lane.

Expect them to want to be aggressive and play around that.

Communist ToastApr 11, 20161 votes

I play Voli top, who I feel is strong, but at a huge disadvantage due to his lack of range attacks.

but I still do just fine with him, winning most times.

BeldairApr 11, 20161 votes

All i hear is crying because you get beat from counter play and bad plays.

I main support but play other roles so that i can improve as a player and in top lane i go as:

Azir Kennan Urgot Renekton Nasus Yorick Ryze Jayce Irelia Sejuani Gragas Mordekaiser Maokai Vladimir

So you complaining that your poor Shen is being beat out in top just means that you only know how to play Shen and you don't know how to counter pick or counter build.

With Azir, i usually built AP/CDR/AS until a super tank Voli kept killing me ridiculously fast....so i altered my build by selling most of the AP/AS/CDR items and going tanky...worked a lot better in that situation. Did i win....no...my team lost because by the time i could make the switch to tanky enough that i survive better, it was to late to really do anything with then already pushed to nexus towers.