Diversity has reared it's sexy head and I smell rito's nerf bat on the horizon.

Cowseed··5 votes·1,558 views

Since the new discovery has been made in league, I mean creativity, people have started hopping on the Ashe +MissFortune ban-wagon. I smell unnecessary nerfs incoming. People aren't going to try to counter or find the new Ashe +MissFortune wonder combo. They are simply going to ask their daddy riot to fix it :/ That might have sounded a bit harsh but the things I see people complaining about makes it hard to doubt.

The sad thing is one of my favorite adcs is not going to get nerfed (probably) because people have found some game breaking exploit. It's going to be because someone (or some pros) experimented and found something that should be fundamental in a game - synergy. But please before you start begging for nerfs please consider it's not hard to figure out that 1+2=3. Try to make a synergy of your own or try to exploit a flaw in the combo. It's not hard to come up with a stun into huge dps. It's not hard to figure out that Jarvan ult and Rumble ult could tilt people. Just... BE CREATIVE!!

This post might not be warranted because of a lack of complaints but something tells me some people are going to make this into something problematic.

19 Comments

RiotMeddler11 votes

So far Ashe/MF seems like a really cool combo we've got no problems with. Theoretically I guess that could change, but given it's pretty niche and has clear weaknesses I'd be surprised. Everyone I've spoken with here was super excited to see it last Friday when we were watching Worlds, both the initial pick (what?!) and then the clear purpose/success of it against Zyra.

Cowseed1 votes

You can find weaknesses with it I agree. Main reason I wrote this because I hope it doesn't become a situation where players just can't be bothered to learn to counter it and beg for nerfs. The fact that you find no problems with it and say you'd be surprised if that changed puts me more at ease.

Marshbouy7 votes

There is a difference between diversity and having an lcs team be crushed by a champion being picked wildly out of position. I assume tank ekko was also "diversity"

Cowseed3 votes

I watched a pants are dragon video today. He one because the ashe started using the arrows in team fights which let the mf ult reek havoc. The thing is his mechanics were shit and he was feeding for a bit. It was ONE arrow that let him win. If he actually had the mechanics the game would have been a stomp.

And yes. The tank ekko thing, didn't have a problem with it. I mean like it wasn't just one assassin that the tank thing worked with. If they picked an ekko just pick a fizz, akali or yasuo (at the time the assassin tanks were in their prime.) Then basically you have the game being two midlanes. But instead of actually doing a counter assassin tank people started asking for the assassin-tank nerfs one by one. That's why they seemed so op. Because at the time of assassin-tanks you only ever had one prominent tank assassin at a time. Or at least that's my guess. :/

Darth Pixy Misa2 votes

Considering the amount of salt i have seen from ppl picking MF support, I do not see any nerfs coming. A lot of PPL dont get why it was used by the pros, and they will feed with MF support. Winning lane is only a small part of the game anyways. Mf's win rate has already dropped more that 5%, and a Free MF week is starting soon. MF might drop 10%.

Cowseed1 votes

You know what. I guess you're right. The same thing happened with taliya and azir. They came out and sucked and were called troll picks for a while. Guess I'm just paranoid.

Oh, wait. They got nerfed, didn't they?

ViiLLAiN2 votes

yeah it was a very situational pick lol

Cowseed1 votes

The laninng phase is only one aspect of it. You have two high damage adcs, two sources of potent soft cc, a long range stun and heavy source of aoe damage. Team-fight is godly if played right. If either dies you still have damage. A dude did it stream and basically turned the game around because the ashe decided to use the arrow in a teamfight.

Dehitay2 votes

MF isn't going to get nerfed. She's going to get curb stomped cause of all the sheeple who don't realize that's a very limited support choice. Even if you team her up with Ashe, most laning opponents are going to do better. Just wait till an intelligent support sees the enemy went Ashe/MF bot, locks in Braum or Tahm Kench, and laughs his ass off.

Cowseed1 votes

Ahh. The braum. Did think about it. Had the idea that most would yell for nerfs instead of picking a braum, taric or something else that counters the combo. Take this upvote.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

you can play any support with hard cc into her... hell trundle bot lane support with his pillar will stop her ult cuz its a displacement and she is channeling it and has to stand still otherwise it will be canceled

also leona... her Q E combo or her ult will stop her ult... there is counter play to it...

Cowseed1 votes

But here's a question. If you do go an all in support and all in her, what's to stop the ashe (or any other adc) from going on to you? You're adc would probably be low after you stopped her. And you did just use your cc on the mf. If it is 5v5 you are going to use your cc on the support if you don't realize. And they could just kite you after and nuke you (two adcs the team peeling and the ashe's crit-slow and w).

Not saying there isn't counter play. Just pointing out the combo is good, is all.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

long range cc... leona ult.. trundles pillar , if you wanna play nami into it just use your ult or bubble to interrupt mf ult... janna q or ult

morgana spell shield the adc and flash ult and item 3157 (would be rushed vs double adc ) i mean there is alot of things...

sivir spell shield if ashe wants to ult and you can use her ult to run out of mfs range

ashe counter mf

malphite ult on mf

and it dont work with other adcs that is the point it was the synergy of mf make it rain aoe slow... to set up an easier ult for ashe to hit with arrow... then mf would ult...

just picking MF support dont work and it was in a pro team with coordination and a team comp completely built around it...

also mf ult is aoe ... dont bunch up , dont fight in tight spaces if you feel or know her ult is off cd

and she isnt buildng support the only support thing she gets is item 2301 then goes damage

and in a team fight ... pick champs that can flank... she is immobile while ulting other wise it cancels it making her a sitting duck

flank with a rengar... zed, kha, lb and when she stands there and ults... flank her and all in her she will die or move and cancel her ult

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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But here's a question. If you do go an all in support and all in her, what's to stop the ashe (or any other adc) from going on to you? You're adc would probably be low after you stopped her. And you did just use your cc on the mf. If it is 5v5 you are going to use your cc on the support if you don't realize. And they could just kite you after and nuke you (two adcs the team peeling and the ashe's crit-slow and w).

Not saying there isn't counter play. Just pointing out the combo is good, is all.

As someone who's played a fair amount of Ashe, Jinx, and Corki support, double adc botlanes are really strong in lane. If you want to fight them you need to burst one very quickly, or you're gonna lose the dps fight.

Their weakness is that adcs bring little utility and need expensive items to scale. If they don't get fed during laning, you're going to have a huge advantage at 15+ minutes when their team basically has 4 useful champions.

Calabok2 votes

conspiracy theories abound.

CrazyBear19872 votes

In this game, you can only be creative in Bots(vs Ai) or customs, anything else you will ripped apart for "trolling" or "playing off meta" etc

Critmaster Garen1 votes

you mean like when

Mordekaiser

was a thing on bot lane? right.

Cowseed1 votes

Yes. That's the gist of what I think.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

There's a difference between flexibility & abusability.

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