Need some tips on Sion and need some help on Shen

S0kaX·Oct 12, 2016·3 votes·407 views

What are some tips on playing with Sion? Not build tips, but how to play and/or what to do during lane phase What are some good builds on Shen? Also what are some lane tips for Shen?

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RalanrOct 12, 20164 votes

For Sion it depends on your match up. He's not very beefy early game so he can't outright duel, but he can stall the lane and really punish mistakes.

If you're confident that you can fight and/catch them, maxing Q is a good idea. It's got good waveclear at max charge, and you can knock people up at half way charge. You can also deny minions by Qing over the minions that the enemy melee laner wants.

If you're not confident or you can't fight them, maxing E first is the way to go. Poking them from a far and pretty good waveclear with a Dorians ring makes it work like wonders against champions that don't build resistances. So it's a great "fuck you" to squishy high damage champions who rush damage.

I usually max his W second because the shield is your back up tank steroid if you can't afford enough tank items as the game goes on. Plus %health magic damage is nice.

When using W, don't expect to use it as both a sword and shield, especially early. It's good for one or the other most of the time, but expecting both most of the time is greedy.

A point blank ult can also be more effective than a full charge ult in some circumstances. You can also activate your shield while ulting.

Umbral RegentOct 12, 20162 votes

For Shen, my advice is to build tanky items; Titanic Hydra, Dead Man's Plate, Sunfire Cape, Spirit Visage, Warmog's Armor - that sort of stuff.

Laning as Shen is fun, because it's halfway about mindgames and halfway about aggression. Shen has some obscene damage thanks to his Twilight Assault's %health damage and increase in attack speed on pulling his Ki Blade through an enemy champion. Usually, the ideal ways to play is either to try and position your Ki Blade so that you can try to slow your opponent and guarantee your Shadow Dash (assuming they don't have alternative mobility skills), or landing your Shadow Dash to guarantee a hit with Twilight Assault's pull to buff yourself. Either way, your enemy will be hard-pressed to escape.

Shen's biggest strength is being able to challenge enemy players to either fight, or blow mobility cooldowns like Flash or dashing spells. Twilight Assault slows enemy champions when they try to walk away from Shen - but only if hit by the Ki Blade's pullthrough. On top of that, auto-attack heavy champions - like Aatrox, Fiora, or Trundle, have a generally hard time working against Shen because of his Spirit's Refuge - Shen can either deny their aggression by standing near his Ki Blade, or pop it when he runs it through them on his own engages.

This being said, however, his biggest weakness is his resource commitment; he needs to damage enemies with either his Twilight Assault-empowered auto-attacks, or with the damage from his Shadow Dash to quickly regenerate Energy. If he misses one or either of them, he generally loses his presence as a threat. The best way to work around this would be, obviously enough, to largely use Twilight Assault for farming, rather than laying into your opponent. If you can hit them, go for it, but prioritize minions if you're not getting poked any.

TL;DR - Positioning is key; keep an eye on where your Ki Blade is. Combo your abilities together; slow with Q and taunt with E, or taunt with E to ensure Q slow and free damage. Pop Spirit's Refuge to protect yourself or allies from AA-heavy enemies; make sure to stand in the zone! Farming helps Energy upkeep - if your enemy is too slippery, farm until they come to you.

I hope this helped you some!

Shuriman CuratorOct 12, 20162 votes

Some tips on Shen, item 3068 is core and against an AD laner its a first item. As a second item item 3065 , for me it depends if i really need it as a second item or go for item 3143 which is more so if i'm going up against Yasuo or ranged AAs. Boots situational, lots of auto attackers? item 3047 , lots of cc? item 3111 or item 3009

Against hard match ups i've been building item 2053 and sitting on it, helps with the extra MS and health regen.

So a typical build for me is item 3068 item 3065 item 1001 (situational) item 3512 item 3026 and item 3053

you can also swap with item 3748 , item 3742 , item 3075 , item 3102 and item 3091 . against a Mundo, Nasus and any other high sustain champ? build item 3123 after finishing item 3068

Also this may help you https://www.reddit.com/r/Shen/comments/4ljh0w/things_that_shens_w_can_block/

main page https://www.reddit.com/r/Shen/

A standard rune page that i found works well for me is 9x attack speed reds, 9x scaling armor yellows, 9x flat mr blues and 3x flat health regen quints.

Ravenous HowlsOct 14, 20162 votes

I've been playing Shen a lot lately and if facing a tankier match up it's best to rush item 3068 then go for item 3153 . It gives you a lot of kill and burst potential with your Q. If it is an AP lane then rush item 3751 and item 3211 . These will give you enough tank and AOE push to keep them from your tower and keep you healthy from poke. So Core will be item 3111 item 3065 . There is really almost no situation where item 3102 is better over SV. Then I would finish with another tank item and item 3748 .