Janna's W 5 damage nerf is another gem by the balance team

Laura ß·Apr 18, 2018·63 votes·13,374 views

Serious question Riot, how much do you pay this monkeys at the balance office that just seem to enjoy making fun of the community and releasing this kind of pathetic things?

After tons of posts by the community saying the balance team is complete incompetent this is how the balance team acts? by nerfing Janna's W damage by 5!? THAT is a very clear message by the balance team to the community that they dont give a sht about the community and this is them making fun of us all in plain sight.[zombie-brand-clap]* well done

27 Comments

LeetriApr 18, 201823 votes

Didn't they nerf Kayle by removing like 5 AD at one point and the Kayle mains went ballistic over how it completely destroyed her as a champion and that they deserved full refunds? On a different note, one time people thought Vlad was super OP and after Riot nerfed him his play and win rate plummeted. Thing is, Riot didn't actually nerf him. They put a nerf in the patch notes but they forgot to put the actual nerf in the game, so absolutely nothing about Vlad changed. On a separate occasion, people thought Riven was terrible and clunky. Riot buffed and cleaned her up and people applauded Riot for how good it felt to play her now. But once again, Riot put the buffs in the patch notes but forgot to put it in the actual game. I'm fully convinced Riot could put some crazy Janna nerfs in just the patch notes but change nothing about her in game and you'd see an impact in her stats.

Lord Phazanor Apr 18, 20181 votes

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Didn't they nerf Kayle by removing like 5 AD at one point and the Kayle mains went ballistic over how it completely destroyed her as a champion and that they deserved full refunds? On a different note, one time people thought Vlad was super OP and after Riot nerfed him his play and win rate plummeted. Thing is, Riot didn't actually nerf him. They put a nerf in the patch notes but they forgot to put the actual nerf in the game, so absolutely nothing about Vlad changed. On a separate occasion, people thought Riven was terrible and clunky. Riot buffed and cleaned her up and people applauded Riot for how good it felt to play her now. But once again, Riot put the buffs in the patch notes but forgot to put it in the actual game. I'm fully convinced Riot could put some crazy Janna nerfs in just the patch notes but change nothing about her in game and you'd see an impact in her stats.

I guess Placebo effect can be applied to everything. That said, I still think OP is right, even though what you said was very interesting.

AwesomeGuyDjApr 18, 20189 votes

I've been told the 5 ad butchered kayle jg.

AirKingNeoApr 18, 20182 votes

except Kayle was a jungler at the time and her jungling was ruined.

AltiverseApr 19, 20184 votes

Well, there's an extremely huge difference between 5 AD on a champion that uses auto attacks as its primary damage source, and a 5 damage on a spell that has an 8sec CD and is usually not used for damage in the first place.

...Not to mention Kayle (or any other champion you mentioned) wasn't S tier for as long as Janna has been. 5 damage nerf is just an absolute joke.

Also, I don't see how saying "you don't account for the placebo effect" is any sort of argument, considering this applies to every nerf or buff ever. Holding a nerf back from a champion that was S tier for hell knows how long because "hey, placebo effect!" is utterly nothing more than double standards.

ShekelbergApr 18, 201813 votes

Remember the time they reworked her passive and essentially straight buffed her when she already had over a 50% win rate with a massive play rate. I don't think they actually know how to nerf her at this point.

rtbf221651412Apr 18, 20181 votes

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Remember the time they reworked her passive and essentially straight buffed her when she already had over a 50% win rate with a massive play rate. I don't think they actually know how to nerf her at this point.

I remember that time when they nerfed the same things by five last time. Clearly they are mocking us.

FancyKiwiApr 18, 201810 votes

I don't think they can ever beat the .25 second nerf to Zoe's Q

ProfirixApr 18, 20189 votes

They also cut her base move speed. Most of her abilities scale with percent move speed, and since most move speed buffs are based on your base move speed, it hits her a little more too. Janna is only considered overpowered because of her point-and-click shield and her ability to dictate enemy positioning. Not because of her damage.

FakeGravityApr 18, 20181 votes

exactly, janna have never even been about damage in the first place, kinda like thresh use to be, or everyone forgot how thresh use to have his E passive on Q and all the walls of his ult use to do damage? they remove all that and still was more than viable until censer meta hit janna's ability to save ppl as well as herself and deny any attend of aggression will always keep her relevant unless riot nerf her so much that she becomes useless

OverpoweredSoapApr 18, 20189 votes

The 5 movespeed and 5 damage nerf on her W is bigger than it seems.

Her passive damage is impacted by movespeed and her W is her poke ability.

Yes, the nerfs should have been bigger but these will still impact her a bit and maybe make her play safer and do less damage if she goes aggressive.

ZJD123Apr 18, 20185 votes

The moderators on the boards will also remove as post talking negatively about janna players. But you can flame assassins, tanks, mages, ADCs you name it , all you want.

DuskDaUmbreonApr 18, 20184 votes

The reason they remove your posts is either because it's a zero-content shitpost, or because it's just toxic flaming.

It's not because it's about Janna.

Dasdi96Apr 18, 20181 votes

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The moderators on the boards will also remove as post talking negatively about janna players. But you can flame assassins, tanks, mages, ADCs you name it , all you want.

Yeah, if you make a PSA to top/mid/jungle/adc players, it will usually be upvoted. However, if you try to call out support mains, you get destroyed because "support mains are perfect beings".

KarunamonApr 19, 20181 votes

^ stuff nobody ever actually said

CHODES AND LOADSApr 18, 20185 votes

you people are insufferable pissbabies that whine about everything in this game. you seriously wondering why they tune out these petty tantrums

ZullarApr 18, 20184 votes

Riot's live balance team....

https://imgur.com/a/3D1An#13qT9XO

Janna was #2 win rate so knocking off 5 should do the trick. Warwick is #1 with 54% win rate so lets leave him alone. Azir and Ryze are the 2nd and 3rd worst champs in the game with 44% win rate better nerf them both.

If this doesn't make it completely apparent that Riot is primarily balancing around pro play and ignoring the regular players I don't know what will.

VerxintApr 18, 20181 votes

I honestly wouldn't mind balancing around pro play if it actually made pro play interesting with different champions being used. But we're at like 2 years of balancing around LCS and LCK and it's still the same pool of 15 champions in every match with the same boring strategies on both teams.

CppLApr 19, 20181 votes

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Riot's live balance team....

https://imgur.com/a/3D1An#13qT9XO

Janna was #2 win rate so knocking off 5 should do the trick. Warwick is #1 with 54% win rate so lets leave him alone. Azir and Ryze are the 2nd and 3rd worst champs in the game with 44% win rate better nerf them both.

If this doesn't make it completely apparent that Riot is primarily balancing around pro play and ignoring the regular players I don't know what will.

Actually azir and ryze are top tier mid laners in higher elo and lcs i guess ,but not sure tho.Thats why they nerfed them.

Masala ChaiApr 18, 20183 votes

It's actually more impactful than you think, nerfing her base movement speed also effects her damage as well since her auto attacks and her W both have scaling off of her movement speed, which she'll get less of since bonus movement speed is also dependent on her base.

AirKingNeoApr 18, 20183 votes

2 AD off Xayah

Totally fixed SS tier champ

NymzoApr 18, 20182 votes

Nerfing her will not change anything unless they gut her to the ground but Rio never want to do this kind of thing.

Janna needs a rework, not nerfs. Even if you nerf her hard, another enchanter will take her place like Karma or Lulu.

Enchanters have always been problematic, I'm happy to see that the community has been able to see the issues since the last two years.

tea tìmeApr 18, 20181 votes

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Nerfing her will not change anything unless they gut her to the ground but Rio never want to do this kind of thing.

Janna needs a rework, not nerfs. Even if you nerf her hard, another enchanter will take her place like Karma or Lulu.

Enchanters have always been problematic, I'm happy to see that the community has been able to see the issues since the last two years.

Or just kill them first, since they're the strength of wet paper.

0 HogapuApr 18, 20181 votes

is it ok to say that balance team (which is made of HUMANS) are monkeys?

gimmieninjaApr 19, 20181 votes

im more irked that they reduced her base move speed; she still zooms all over mid and late game but her speed is kind of her thing (it even gives her autos dmg)

zephyr dmg nerfed by 5 ............ meh its there to do a single target slow and passively buff her move speed while its off cd not there to do a bunch of dmg.

remakoroApr 19, 20181 votes

5 MS is the real nerf there. And again she is really good support that gives adc all they need those days. You cant make her winrate drop significantly without fixing adcs unless you completely butcher her. Nami - champion with pretty similar kit has good winrate as well.

rtbf225618241Apr 19, 20181 votes

I can't upvote something that's literally nothing more than rage and insults. I agree, that nerf is meaningless but this isn't the right way going about these things.