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And what do we replace it with? A weak, immobiliizing, Cast-time having Aoe AD/AS Steroid? The Barrels give GP something that he needed, Waveclear. He lacks mobility, but makes up for it with Citrus-based Tenacity. He's got poke which gives him a zoning tool.
The things that should honestly change on GP are simple, watch:
Parrley can no longer utilize Melee On-hit effects (Titanic/Ravenous Hydra, Iceborn Gauntlet)
Phage's MS Buff should be Reduced in either strength or Duration for Ranged Attacks
Barrels can no longer be detonated mid-cast by Parrley'ing another barrel
Revert Parrley's Gold/Mana refund changes, while keeping the increased cost
give GP slightly higher Base AD, but lower inherent Armor/MR, while increasing the scaling per level
Barrels, when exploded should ignore FAR less armor than they currently do, OR not give GP MS. One or the Other.
Barrels shouldn't be able to Critically strike either, but should have an AP ratio of about .25, making the Common Trinity Force build a little stronger to Compensate for the Crit loss on Barrels.
Do that, and he becomes a hard to pin, Mostly-Melee fighter, builds 1-2 Damage items, gets tanky, but not absurdly so, and is still able to clear waves lategame
Ok then, let's try this again.
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Oh, so sorry that I forgot Riot's preseason was intended to completely fuck everything instead of fixing things that actually needed fixing. I haven't had access to my Desktop for about a week and a half now, so Haven't been playing league. Don't see why you need to be rude about it, but petulant children will be petulant children all the same I suppose.
It's also a huge nerf that keeps him from having to be micronerfed into the ground like he's been being. The Barrels are almost as Cancerous as Resets and %Max HP damage on-hit in their current state, and the Core of the changes that I was looking at would have fixed that issue.
Perhaps, instead of cherry-picking your flaws with things, you look at what the overall affect would have been. He's still getting the Sheen Proc on his On-Enemy Parrley's, he's still getting Crits on his On-Enemy Parrley's. The only thing I want changed is the ability to have AOE Crits that can span the entire lane with enough preparation and a dumb enough enemy
You clearly said above "Parrley can no longer proc on hit melee effects" and specifically included Iceborn Gauntlet as an example. Iceborn is a sheen/TF style proc, and an on-hit effect. Now what I'm taking you MEANT to say is "Parrrley is no longer treated as a melee attack but a ranged one for on-hit procs". You weren't clear, but I supposed I can take equal fault there in misunderstanding your intentions, even if they were poorly written.
Phages's MS buff already IS reduced for melee attacks, isn't it? So making Parrrley count as a ranged attack would hit this second point too. The redundancy is part of the reason why I misunderstood your first suggestion as "make Parrrley not crit or apply on-hit effects".
The gross number changes are fine, I guess. I don't know much about GP's base and by level stats beyond that his starting health USED to be the highest in the game and it got nerfed hard.
Not being able to quick-drop a barrel while shooting another to instantly detonate both is a fair change, but it means his barrels will essentially be much, much, MUCH harder to detonate on someone... since they'll have some leeway to escape the blast. If this is the case the damage and armor pen seems like it shouldn't change much since actually landing the skill will be far more uncommon.
Barrels no longer landing crits if they're crit on with Parrrley is a rather large late-game damage nerf that means his barrels will sometimes be far less useful than just directly shooting an enemy for a 250% damage crit. It will mean barrels will fall off into simple waveclear devices late game once his crit is high enough to be reliable. Not a terrible change, but again... this means barrels shouldn't have their damage or armor pen nerfed since they'll be less useful overall AND less damaging late game on single targets than an old-fashioned Q to the face.
So, to take your advice and look at the "overall effect" of things... ALL of the things you've suggested are nerfs with no buffs of any sort. You want to make his barrels do less damage due to lowered armor pen AND less damage due to inability to crit. You want them to be harder to blow up in an enemy's face too, what with the delay before you can shoot another barrel nearby to blow them up. You want him to lose the phage MS boost for melee and only get the one for ranged. Minor, but ok. Essentially, you want him to have very little use for his barrels aside from waveclear?
Ok fine... you want him to keep barrels for waveclear but render them sub-optimal for nearly everything else they do. You seem to think the barrels are a huge problem too, because that's a rather LARGE list of nerfs to a single ability and you literally called them cancerous. So given that we seem to AGREE that they're kinda broken, I still fail to see why my statement of "if the barrels are the issue why not give him a different ability" was THAT big of an outrage that you had to become a raging prick and start directly insulting me... but I'm just gonna assume that you just REALLY wanted to whip out the words "petulant child". That one never comes up in day to day use anymore.
But your attitude isn't forgivable. Your tone is rude and toxic for no reason. If you didn't want anyone to speak to you about your statements and ideas of proposed balance changes... don't post them online. How in the hell would I know you haven't had a working computer and you missed an item change that's been on the PBE for a long while now and the live server for a few weeks? I assumed since you were mentioning numerical changes to his stats that you understood the current stats! Perhaps that was on me for assuming people complaining on the internet had ANY idea what they're talking about... but it's still no reason to lash out with insults directed personally at me and take the stance of a condescending prick who is right because he says so. I'm not a petulant child because I disagree with you. I didn't even disagree with you. I just agreed barrels were the problem and maybe a different ability would be a good idea... and you decided to snap at me like a... well I won't say "like a petulant child".
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/petulant
But that's only because I'm not going assume your age.
