So I just played against 7.10 Heimer...

An Undead brat·May 22, 2017·2 votes·276 views

Turrets are less punishing toward melee enemies.

Turrets maybe, but holy cow his W is absurd! I'm only glad I was Nidalee and my spears were able to oneshot a turret half the time, but he was so oppressive even I with my jump, heal and ok lasthitting capabilities had hard time! Every rockets that hit took third my HP, he was able to spam it for the whole time (the CDR and cost reduction really help that) - I'm freezing in terror imaginig me playing against this as a melee!

No, this is not a salt post, I had fun that game (post-laning phase), ended 7/3 with an S, won, but if this rework acomplished him being less oppressive to melees, then is succeeded in one spot, but absolutely terribly failed at the second one.

18 Comments

BakedLotionMay 22, 20172 votes

Your first mistake was playing lane Nidalee.

Your second was letting rockets somehow hit you when you're ranged and can hide behind minions

meowwow7May 22, 20171 votes

yeah nid is not in any good positions right now but is most favored in the jungle and those rockets do have a short range unless ulted

An Undead bratMay 22, 20171 votes

Again, this post is not about Nidalee, it was about MELEE champions. Read my previous comment

An Undead bratMay 22, 20171 votes

Well my first mistake sits on 75% winrate rn while doing very good most of the games and I'm comfortable with it.

Second, I was facing Heimer - what minions?

BakedLotionMay 22, 20171 votes

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Well my first mistake sits on 75% winrate rn while doing very good most of the games and I'm comfortable with it.

Second, I was facing Heimer - what minions?

They already nerfed his shoving power. His turrets don't fire lasers unless he E's you or lands a W.

He shoves 5x slower than an ahri or ekko lmfao.

Wow! 75% win rate???!!! Amazing!!!

An Undead bratMay 22, 20171 votes

And because other champions shove faster, he does not shove at all, am I right?

Well I guess that winrate sounds pretty good for a "mistake pick" [slayer-jinx-wink]

BakedLotionMay 22, 20171 votes

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And because other champions shove faster, he does not shove at all, am I right?

Well I guess that winrate sounds pretty good for a "mistake pick" [slayer-jinx-wink]

I'm going to take a guess and say that win rate is in normals with a silver mmr at best

And I didn't say he doesn't shove. I'm saying he doesnt shove fast enough for you to have no minions to hide behind.

You're playing wrong. The champion isn't overpowered. If anything is overpowered about heimerdinger it's his constant beam spam if he lands an e and w afterwards.

An Undead bratMay 22, 20171 votes

I'm going to completely ignore an attempt of elo shaming

Uhm... Uuh... I'm struggling to find where did I say he's overpowered... Mehh... Oh, maybe it's this part

I had fun that game (post-laning phase), ended 7/3 with an S, won

No, that's the part where I'm saying I'm playing anything but wrong. Only thing I said was he must be extremely oppressive against melees, which the rework was supposed to solve - which it kinda did, but turned it the other way around.

BakedLotionMay 22, 20171 votes

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I'm going to completely ignore an attempt of elo shaming

Uhm... Uuh... I'm struggling to find where did I say he's overpowered... Mehh... Oh, maybe it's this part

No, that's the part where I'm saying I'm playing anything but wrong. Only thing I said was he must be extremely oppressive against melees, which the rework was supposed to solve - which it kinda did, but turned it the other way around.

You're playing anything but wrong but still insisted that his rocket spam is oppressive. lol. As nidalee. lol.

It did solve it. They just flat out nerfed his turret damage and it's AI so it doesn't prioritize champions in all scenarios and melees can farm now. They just need to dodge a skill shot.

I wasn't even shaming your elo. I didn't even search you up. Just made an educated guess based on how poorly you seem to play. I'm assuming I'm right if you got triggered.

SwiftKitten88May 22, 20171 votes

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Your first mistake was playing lane Nidalee.

Your second was letting rockets somehow hit you when you're ranged and can hide behind minions

while i will say as a nidalee main you should be able to dodge his stun and his rockets with your pounce. your never going to be perfect

also.. jungle nidalee has been trashed so much lane nidalee (her orginal role, really isnt much worse anymore)

although i will say, the change to item 3102 helps Nidalee TREMENDOUSLY.

that change alone shot her winrate back up to actually viable levels (i mean she is at 46% now... from 42% that's a damn nice increase...)

BakedLotionMay 22, 20171 votes

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while i will say as a nidalee main you should be able to dodge his stun and his rockets with your pounce. your never going to be perfect

also.. jungle nidalee has been trashed so much lane nidalee (her orginal role, really isnt much worse anymore)

although i will say, the change to helps TREMENDOUSLY.

that change alone shot her winrate back up to actually viable levels (i mean she is at 46% now... from 42% that's a damn nice increase...)

She's a 51% wr in the jungle. 93.7% of the time she's played in jungle

Lane nidalee is terrible

And regardless of whether or not he pounced, he shouldn't be getting hit by rockets as a ranged champ.

An Undead bratMay 22, 20171 votes

I like midlane in general and not popular picks even more, that's why I play her, I don't care about metas and stuff. He never hit me with his stun and you just can't dodge rockets when he's standing in his creeps basically under your turret, but that was not a point, I did GREAT that game, my point is that if I was a melee champion, especially in the top lane, that would be one bad scenario.

Also I'm still pretty new to Nid.

Asayake 5150glowMay 22, 20171 votes

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Your first mistake was playing lane Nidalee.

Your second was letting rockets somehow hit you when you're ranged and can hide behind minions

You can't hide behind minions well, the rockets will kill the minions and one of them will hit you, and it will still really hurt.

BakedLotionMay 22, 20171 votes

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You can't hide behind minions well, the rockets will kill the minions and one of them will hit you, and it will still really hurt.

non Minion damage 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 / 180 (+ 45% AP) for the first rocket hit Wow it hurts so much!

「 TOTAL MINION DAMAGE: 204 / 306 / 408 / 510 / 612 (+ 188% AP) 」

Say he maxes it first in lane and it's rank 3 in lane. 405+188% AP on a minion will kill one melee minion with 1 or 0 rockets hitting you.

Nidalee is ranged. She should always be behind her minions.

This board really knows nothing about balance and just likes finding dumb shit to complain about lmfao

Asayake 5150glowMay 22, 20171 votes

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non Minion damage 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 / 180 (+ 45% AP) for the first rocket hit Wow it hurts so much!

「 TOTAL MINION DAMAGE: 204 / 306 / 408 / 510 / 612 (+ 188% AP) 」

Say he maxes it first in lane and it's rank 3 in lane. 405+188% AP on a minion will kill one melee minion with 1 or 0 rockets hitting you.

Nidalee is ranged. She should always be behind her minions.

This board really knows nothing about balance and just likes finding dumb shit to complain about lmfao

I know from experience it hurts like hell so :/

BakedLotionMay 22, 20171 votes

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I know from experience it hurts like hell so :/

But I gave you exact numbers and you're giving anecdotal evidence

ChønklordMay 22, 20171 votes

Heimer is complete dumpster trash now -- even more than he was before.

He only "excelled" at bronze to silver level 'melee' players -- he always was dumpstered by almost every top laner and every mage ever made.

This rework just made him even more shit-tier because the problem has always been his turrets either being too fucking strong or too shitty -- and they went and made his turrets even shittier.

An Undead bratMay 22, 20171 votes

Not true, objectively.