If Neeko won't work on jungle she'll be a missed opportunity.

Lady Luminous·Nov 19, 2018·14 votes·11,032 views

She definetly will work mid but mid is a solo lane so why give her a mimic passive. As a support she can turn only into the adc (unless the jungler ganks) so In all honesty I think she would work best as a jungler considering her theme. Design wise it would be weird to make the chameleon and mimic champion either unable to disguise himself unless ganked or only turn into one champion for the majority of laning fase. Her ult, q, w passive and normal passive would make her amazing at ganking.

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boricCentaur1Nov 19, 201812 votes

I hope she can be played jg league has so little ap jgs.

Skins ProjectNov 20, 20181 votes

Diana Ekko Elise Evelynn Fiddlesticks Gragas Ivern Maokai Nunu Warwick Zac (WW's like 90% magic damage)

IllabetheNov 20, 20181 votes

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I hope she can be played jg league has so little ap jgs.

Zyra Karma Evelynn Diana Amumu Chogath DrMundo Ekko Elise Fiddlesticks Fizz Karthus Nidalee

So few viable AP junglers....... sigh....

(I know some of these don't get MUCH play, but all are viable and rankable, and the few players who do play them..... dominate their games. I personally play Karma/Eve/Zyra/Nidalee, and all of them are dominant. Karthus has actually seen Worlds play)

boricCentaur1Nov 20, 20181 votes

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So few viable AP junglers....... sigh....

(I know some of these don't get MUCH play, but all are viable and rankable, and the few players who do play them..... dominate their games. I personally play Karma/Eve/Zyra/Nidalee, and all of them are dominant. Karthus has actually seen Worlds play)

One tanks those tanks are not ap they are ap tanks you do not pick cho because you need ap I do not consider poppy or sion ad champions I consider them ad tanks. Two I mean jg as there main role there is only 3 ap champions that fit that like fizz is a mid lane that can be played in jg as a off role. I should of made this more clear sorry.

About 25 SnakesDec 2, 20181 votes

I love breaking the meta as much as the next guy but the whole point is we have pretty few champions who are AP but actually intended for the jungle, unlike what you've posted which is mostly a collection of mids and supports. 5 out of those characters are actual, intended junglers. Only two of them are remotely meta (Eve, Nid). If don't see a problem with that picture then I don't know what to tell you lol.

In other news, pretty sad that Neeko isn't a dedicated jungler. Was totally under the impression we'd be getting a new jungler this time around since we've already had a new champ of each other role. See you all in 5 months I guess.

IllabetheDec 3, 20181 votes

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I love breaking the meta as much as the next guy but the whole point is we have pretty few champions who are AP but actually intended for the jungle, unlike what you've posted which is mostly a collection of mids and supports. 5 out of those characters are actual, intended junglers. Only two of them are remotely meta (Eve, Nid). If don't see a problem with that picture then I don't know what to tell you lol.

In other news, pretty sad that Neeko isn't a dedicated jungler. Was totally under the impression we'd be getting a new jungler this time around since we've already had a new champ of each other role. See you all in 5 months I guess.

My question is: Why do you care if a champ is a dedicated role? Often the hardest counters to dedicated role meta champs ARE global utility champs, which in fact makes them some of the most meta champs by inversion.

For example, Zyra literally counters about 90% of the meta AND dedicated role roster for jungle. If a Xin Zhao gets a Zyra in the jungle as an opponent, he's almost locked into a loss. She also fairly locks the following dedicated junglers:

Udyr Volibear Shaco Shyvana Nunu LeeSin Graves Hecarim Amumu Fiddlesticks

It's actually in fact true that... Support champs are the core champions designed to counter junglers. Mid, Adc, and most top lane dedicated champions are generally designed to be a Jungler's easy targets. Supports are designed to get in the way of that. So what happens when you give a support a gold income, better levels? They begin to outstrip their "designed for" capacities, making many of them the most meta junglers in the game......

Just because something isn't played much doesn't mean it's not meta. It sometimes means that people are scared to tilt their teams through stereotypical bias, and lack of understanding. It sometimes means people don't want to think, and take for granted norms and calculate the actual roles a champion is best for. They just want to .... accept.

RavenhaleNov 19, 20188 votes

I think she'd make a horrible laner. Jungler shows up and suddenly your passive kicks in... enemy immediately thinks "oh look, I'm being ganked". ^_^

DarkneslsoNov 19, 20182 votes

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I think she'd make a horrible laner. Jungler shows up and suddenly your passive kicks in... enemy immediately thinks "oh look, I'm being ganked". ^_^

i think passive works like zileans you will have to right-click on an ally to change, because in the video clip renekton walks past her and she doesn't change, only when she wants to go she changed.

RavenhaleNov 19, 20181 votes

Hmm... that might be the case. There is like a very brief clip where she turns into Xayah instead of Rakan, despite Rakan being the closest ally. Hmm... that does improve her laning as her passive won't give away anything. That was perhaps the only major downside I thought existed with her being midlane.

That actually improves her in all roles, if that's the case.

HalofireNov 19, 20181 votes

I actually assumed it was like what Kindred has... Kindred has a little bar of all the enemy champs' portraits, and she can click who to mark. I figure Neeko's going to have a similar bar, but of ally champs, and you just click who you want to turn into. No need to right click on your ally to do it.

The DrBonjigolloNov 19, 20181 votes

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I actually assumed it was like what Kindred has... Kindred has a little bar of all the enemy champs' portraits, and she can click who to mark. I figure Neeko's going to have a similar bar, but of ally champs, and you just click who you want to turn into. No need to right click on your ally to do it.

There’s a video of Redmercy testing her at riot and it is this, her passive isn’t gated by who’s near though it’s just most situations where it’s used they pick the closest/ whoever is lowest.

Still VirgiñNov 19, 20182 votes

it would be great if she can turn into jungle monsters.

RavenhaleNov 19, 20185 votes

Oh no, I'm being ganked by Blue Buff :p

SociaI JusticeNov 20, 20182 votes

i hope she gets deleted before shes released.

TormentulaNov 19, 20181 votes

I don't think she'd work jungle, I mean it would be pretty obvious who you are if you're enterring lane from river, she might as well not use her passive.

She functions better with a jungle to disguise as, to fake gank different lanes or make it harder to dodge the gank since you don't know which spells are coming out where.

Imagine getting ganked by 3 gragas, but you don't know which one is going to body slam somebody or which is going to distance root you.

RavenhaleNov 19, 20181 votes

Eh, I don't know how great she will be mid lane if her passive kicks in when your jungler decides to do raptors or tries to gank for you. She looks very much coordinated play reliant. Whereas if she's in the jungle, she doesn't give away any information.

Need Gold 4 TentNov 20, 20181 votes

They should make it controllable at least. Just giving it a mini HUD like Rengar/Kindred showing ally champs, and letting you click on the icons of any near enough allies. Otherwise you'd also get a random transformation when your allies are bush camping.

RavenhaleNov 20, 20181 votes

Yea, watching videos of it on the PBE indicates it operates exactly like Kindred's marks.

MadłifeNov 19, 20181 votes

Her Q would seem to disagree with you. It shoots more out on large monster damage. Seems like her clear could be insane. Depending on cooldowns of course.

TormentulaNov 19, 20181 votes

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Her Q would seem to disagree with you. It shoots more out on large monster damage. Seems like her clear could be insane. Depending on cooldowns of course.

With her E going through minions I can see it working somewhat, I'd say it more depends on how she handles other junglers performance wise.

I think she'd be better off a support, R looks like a good by lane battle spell, E for picks and it does go through minions like Zyra, and Q can poke out. She could even use her ally to disguise with so they attack the wrong adc.

ZerenzaNov 19, 20181 votes

It shooting out more on large monster damage+the E snare mechanic makes her jungle clear more than likely workable, her ganks seem like the'll be pretty trash though but in the jungle you have the benefit of being the player least likely to be in vision, which means if your ally backs, you can disguise yourself as them and run into a lane, then boom! YOU THOUGHT I WAS THE BOT LANER, BUT NO I AM DIO! cough And i believe she actually says something like that lol

Mid-game is where i think she'll shine the most, less overall vision of every player at once, more opportunity for catching opponents by surprise and for baiting them into you.

ZerenzaNov 19, 20181 votes

I think Jungle is best but Mid still has potential. In the jungle you can, at any moment that one of your other laner's backs, gank a lane disguised as the laner who just backed, you have more opportunities to disguise yourself as a backing ally and bait the enemy as well. In mid lane i'm sure it still works but only when roaming, because it's pretty easy to tell who's ganking you if Neeko was just mid and suddenly there's 2 of your jungler in the same lane, it's different if your turning into your top laner, ganking from top side and they haven't seen the enemy top laner on the map since he backed.

Her clear looks like it's definitely plausible, especially for Multi-Enemy camps, it's all dependant on Cooldowns and Mana though. I think she'll be a level 6 ganker though, mainly because she has no mobility and chances are if you walk into mid lane disguised as the support they'll just run from you regardless. I think she'll REALLY shine in mid-game though where vision of every player at once is hard to come by and face checking or chasing down a low enemy is really common.

BârdNov 19, 20181 votes

Yeah she'll work.

She has two AOE spells and a passive on hit effect, so she can clear the jungle easily with attack speed runes.

Her E is a 3 second root if you use it right, her ult appears to be a 1.5 second stun, she has an invisibility to set this all up, and her damage isn't lacking either.

Clearing Gromp will be her only real struggle.

TBH she seems like she'll work in every role except maybe top, and even then she'll fit as something along the lines of Teemo.

VarindranNov 20, 20181 votes

With her lines talking about the jungle and having buffs i honestly thought she was mainly a jungler and not a midlaner.

Full BrainNov 20, 20181 votes

Well it is more so for late game and they are eventually going to just remove wards from the game altogether with the trend they are showing so it will be crazy strong at that point.

Linna ExcelNov 20, 20181 votes

AngelGlowArrow, do you ever play jungler? I'm asking because the more I think about it, the harder it'd be to make her a jungler outside of the LCS. In fact I'm starting to question her mimic ability completely. For solo queue the ability is going to be crap outside of team fights in the jungle only because to get full use out of it, you'll need a weird path. Even with her W active I don't think it's going to be enough time to be useful outside of cat and mouse jungle skirmishes. For pro play, there are a ton of better junglers with CC for the pros to pick and she doesn't seem like a level 2 ganker. If she is picked in pro play, I'm guessing it'll be as a support in a protect the vayne/kog comp.

Another issue I have with her is I feel like teleport would be needed for most shenanigans and only top/mid can afford that summoner spell. I don't see her going top often.

The absolute best use of her passive I can think of is if she feeds in lane but her ADC is carrying. In a teamfight she can copy the ADC and let the other team blow everything on her, thinking she's the fed ADC. I don't expect most players to have that kind of awareness though.