people making lists of bad early game champs, but we're forgetting someone here

Morgy Morgy··4 votes·417 views

Talon. He is almost completely useless in laning phase, and unless he gets a double kill at bot, he'll stay useless until at least level 16. His e damage amplifcation is too low to make any sort of difference until it is maxed, but you cant max it first or second because your w and q are more important. Once late game comes, he's stupid strong though. The long ass wait for over half the game is all worth it in the end

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Stiv12342 votes

His rank 1 W is a joke. 60 mana for barely an autoattack? And you dont even get the full damage in one chunk so you could lasthit more easily?

AyRe CoNteMpT2 votes

seems like you have no idea how to play talon. his laning phase is strong as in he can lane against basically any champion in the game without falling behind, he can waveclear good, he is amazing with ganks, he is amazing in all-scale-combat (2on2, 3on3, 4on4, 5on5), he can roam good, he has good tower pressure and his damage is pretty high after lvl 7+ allready.

hes just a pretty good champ overall. in 5on5teams there are champions with more raw power so you can dominate a talon-team with good groups and rotations but in soloQ hes super dangerous as he has almost uncounterable AoE burst and is hard to predict. just very good champ.

Morgy Morgy1 votes

his laning phase is in no means whatsoever strong he does no damage literally all they have to do is buy a chain vest and he does as much damage as the caster minions his wave clear is nonexistant until his w has a few points in it, and you max your w SOLELY BECAUSE YOU NEED SOME SORT OF POKE TO BE USEFUL IN LANE. he's a great champ once the late game phase begins, and that's when the game is actually a 5v5 instead of a 4v5.

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

nobody can instagib waves on early levels. his waveclear and pushing power is very decent and if they buy chainvest, well, free lane for you then i guess. why do you think talon needs to kill anyone in lane? he can just lane and be more useful than many other champions.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

his waveclear needs him to be lvl 9 with 60 bonus AD (to kill range)

Sir Yamazuki2 votes

"useless until late game." http://champion.gg/champion/Talon Yet wins almost 60% of the time first 25 minutes while dropping as the game goes on.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

if you start item 1029 his W will be less powerfull than an aa, he just can't trade while you free harass him and prevent him for csing

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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if you start item 1029 his W will be less powerfull than an aa, he just can't trade while you free harass him and prevent him for csing

That has nothing to do with the fact Talon wins far more often early than late... meaning the op is wrong.

Sorgklaan1 votes

I'm terrified of talon when he reaches level 6, because a good talon will just jump on you the second he gets ult and gib you before you can react.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

not if you start with item 1029

Only Play Darius1 votes

He is shit late game. Just like all AD casters.

The only AD caster who doesn't fall off late game is Zed because he has AD deathcap on his W passive.

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