There's no such thing as a "carry" role anymore

i cant move wtf··9 votes·677 views

Hate to break up the ADC nerf circle jerk but there aren't any solo carry roles anymore.

If you play ADC but get no peel or frontline then you're useless.

If you play assassins but your adc feeds then gl trying to kill that Rammus Sejuani Nasus

If you play tanks but none of your carries are doing damage then hf slowly losing team fights and being unable to take any objectives.

I think the strongest role right now is bruiser/fighter/split-pusher types like Jax Tryndamere JarvanIV Irelia Fiora who can itemize very tanky (getting about 70-80% of the tankiness of actual tanks) and still do about the same damage as ADCs. I consistently see teams with these champions doing well at all stages of the game. They can 1v1 anyone and they're still really good at team fights diving the backline or even peeling for other carries. They're kind of like a solo-Q swiss army knife that work in every comp due to their mix of utility, damage and tankiness.

But mostly, games are won in champ select. League might actually be Rock, Paper, Scissors now. Pick the right comp and you can just win every team fight because your combination of abilities are better than theirs. So I think if you want to climb the most consistently you should learn at least one of each class of champion to be able to pick for the team comp and dodge the bad comps you can't fix. There's one tricks but they're usually things like Riven who fit that fighter/bruiser/split category I mentioned earlier. You can't go wrong with that type of champion. No one's one-tricking Jhin to Challenger if you know what I mean. And if they are they'll probably need 1-2k games to get the RNG of favorable team comps to complete the climb.

Hope this can help some people and make games less frustrating. Best of luck!

17 Comments

Marshbouy6 votes

If you play ADC but get no peel or frontline then you're useless.

this x1000 People like to talk about how ADCs can draintank better than a swain or WW but it's really bullshit. In all of my games if the ADC doesn't have literally the whole team protecting them, they're dead.

i cant move wtf2 votes

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this x1000

Yep. I have no idea what game they're playing but it's not the one I am.

Ben Sharpio7 votes

Wrong. These enchanters are giving the ADC'S 5x their respective health in shields and heals on top of damage steroids. Lulu just polymorphs the fiora/any damage threat, they also have point and click exhaust, barrier/heal, warlords, rakan is so disgustingly broken i'm not even going to bother with him. support and adc's are determining entire games alone

RenownedWheat421 votes

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Wrong. These enchanters are giving the ADC'S 5x their respective health in shields and heals on top of damage steroids.

Really, severely, unbelievably exaggerated. There isn't that much shielding and healing going on. And as a tank supp main, going against enchanters is always a decent lane because they don't offer enough in playmaking.

You know how easy it is to gank a bot lane with an enchanter supp? Especially if you've got a playmaker? Keeping your ADC alive with shields and heals means nothing if they can't do any damage because they're stuck in 10 sec of CC.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

No offense but you play only arams and some normals. Why do you even talk down people who play at respectively high elos who actually notice the changes in the meta. the higher you go the more impactful enchanters and adcs are. Noway4u lately said it pretty well: when botlane is okay-good in low elo it's completely broken in high elo. Ganking an enchanter lane is the opposite of easy. Lulu/Janna make you unable to move at all no difference to thresh/braum. Enchanters don't want "playmaking" they want to farm up easily which they do and then wreck teamfights.

i cant move wtf1 votes

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No offense but you play only arams and some normals.

This is a smurf. I purposely keep my main account hidden so my posts aren't given undue credit because I'm "high elo" or dismissed because I'm "low elo." Don't try to attack my character, address my points on their own merit.

Tychusfindlay9186 votes

Tryndamere "really good at teamfights"

Ignore obvious shitpost thread people

Athenes Lulu1 votes

Someone burn this witch, he just said that ADCs are not the only ones strong in the meta right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111 XD

Also, the best soloQ carries have been bruisers, fighters, and the like for the longest time.

CrisisEchoes3 votes

Bruisers are in a really bad spot currently. This coming from an adc main.

They dont do enough damage to kill me before i lifesteal using ardent. Even if theyre 3-0. Invariably almost every bruiser just falls over and dies. I dont even have to think about it.

Tanks and supports are the real op in this meta. Those two being op is inadvertently making adcs look like gods.

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

Besides the fact that bruisers as a whole get nerfed whenever possible. People like op claiming they deal "the same dmg as adcs" are just straight up delusional. Even a full dmg jarvan can't fight a botlane let alone in lategame. There is a short timeframe after laning phase where bruisers are actually a threat after 25 mins that plummets down to being peel bots.

i cant move wtf1 votes

{quoted} People like op claiming they deal "the same dmg as adcs" are just straight up delusional.

I'm actually referring to over the course of a game. Late game with 5-6 items, I agree, ADCs will consistently do more damage (assuming they get peel). But up until that point bruisers/fighters will do the same or more effective damage when you factor in their mitigation and CC abilities. And bruisers don't need peel and can split push. You're kind of missing the overall point of the post.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

"no one is one tricking Jhin to challenger" xD http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=i+keep+it+taco

i cant move wtf1 votes

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"no one is one tricking Jhin to challenger" xD http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=i+keep+it+taco

You say that but look how many games he needed in S6, even though he was Diamond in S4 and S5. Let's see him do < 1k games from silver/bronze.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

he is actually doing that right now from unranked to diamond you should check his stream https://www.twitch.tv/ikeepittaco and it isnt hard to go from silver to diamond in 250 or less games if you been in diamond before even if you play on a fresh account with bronze 6 mmr unless you literally got there by total luck the first time

i cant move wtf1 votes

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he is actually doing that right now from unranked to diamond

I'm guessing his unranked to diamond is "Jordanian Sniper" then? Which has almost 700 games with a 52% win rate on Jhin and is currently D3. Doesn't that kind of prove my point that it would take near 1k games to one trick a champ like Jhin to master/challenger?

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

Getting to challenger is no easy task even for previous challenger players, its suppose to be the best of the best for a reason, diamond is one thing challenger is a whole other lvl, itll be a long journey to hit challenger

Khristophoros1 votes

Yeah I agree and that's why I avoid playing ADC.

The way to win is be good at peeling, setting up picks, and setting up objectives.

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