Today I requested Riot to remove Frost Blade Irelia from my account.

Siegfriedx1··48 votes·4,128 views

I don't agree with the thematic change to winter wonder.

I don't hope them to change it anymore and honestly I am just disappointed with this whole thing.


Edit:

Answer to the majority of questions like "why would you do that? what can you gain from that? CAn't you just not play the champion? How is that going to solve the problem?" .

It's a peaceful form of protest and a strong symbol of disapproval and disagreement. The goal of such action is not to solve the problem as this kind of protest normally only start taking place when people feel they don't have the power to solve the problem.

You asked why remove instead of not use.

Let me ask you this, is there any positive and reward-oriented reason to delete a skin from your account? No. Do you think that is intuitive and expected to a player to request to delete a skin he already paid from his account? No. Is there any possible different reason than heavy disapproval to justify a player not using skins? Yes.

This mean that, different than just not using a skin [what could be by many, many reasons], you need to have some heavy displeasure and be super upset to not even want a skin you already bought with you. It's actually deciding to burn up something you invested resources to get instead of supporting something you heavily disagree. If you are not familiar with this kind of action, It's a form of peaceful protest that don't affect others negatively but carry a strong message regardless.

If you don't understand why, read this: By manually requesting a rioter to delete a skin from my account he really need to read my reasons and need to fill up a little form to justify why he is doing that. That paragraph will always be in Riot system as well as my tickets and the reason of my displeasure.

You interprete my actions like I am suggesting that with my peaceful protest that I will change Irelia Frost Blade to the Crio Futuristic Theme. You are wrong. If I thought that this was going to happen I would continue being in reddit posting things and supporting Red Panda without sending a ticket.

I don't believe it's going to change. I don't think they will change. They said they will not change.

As they now don't want to issue RP refunds for the Frost Blade Irelia over the reason that "it's a change happening during a champion update" , i can only feel heavily cheated as, by my understanding, champion updates should not be an excuse to change the themes from skins I already bought. They can definitely change the appearance, style, position and many others things from a skin during an update, but getting my project jhin and making it into "half cyborg jhin", or getting my "river spirit nami" and making into "river fisher nami" are things I don't want to see in the future and I don't support. Actually this whole thing look to me like Riot is now starting to use the "no refund under rework period" as a cheap reason to mess up with things we already own in fundamental ways because they believe that "having a no refund policy under a rework" is a valid shield to now do whatever with the skin.

This excuse of being "during a rework period" to change my Crio Futuristic Irelia to Winter Wonder is something that make absolute no sense and don't qualify in the definition of skin update. It's a complete skin rework where you delete the previous one and make a new theme from scratch.

I didn't buy that. Every time I play Irelia is with Frost Blade Irelia and the least thing Riot should do if they want to enforce this aggressive and invasive change is, at least, to allow a partial RP refund for the skin. If they don't want to do it so fuck it. I would rather not have that in my account and I requested to remove it from my account.

"but you are losing money"

Fuck it. This is too much. By not having Frost Blade Irelia in my account I stand against that act and send a message that there is a limit I expect to what Riot can do to the good I bought.

I'm a totally reasonable person. There are multiple skins being reworked with Irelia and I already witnessed multiple champion reworks in more than 5 years of league. Ask me when I experienced what they are doing? When I thought they were crossing a line and pretending the line don't exist?

For those and other reasons, I stand strong against this decision from Riot games. The implications of this are huge and my peaceful, but vocal, way of showing disapproval is more than Ideal for the time being.

82 Comments

Rosso40 votes

i know i'll get hella downvotes for this but instead of doing something so unnecessary because you don't like the change, how about you don't use the skin? no idea why people like you are so determined to get rid of something you hate or don't like at all. [sg-lux-2]

Siegfriedx129 votes

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i know i'll get hella downvotes for this but instead of doing something so unnecessary because you don't like the change, how about you don't use the skin? no idea why people like you are so determined to get rid of something you hate or don't like at all. [sg-lux-2]

Because that don't carry a message.

Rosso5 votes

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Because that don't carry a message.

im pretty sure a lot of people complaining about the things they don't like about the skin carries a message, considering it has been a hot topic ever since the skin was seen. though im not saying the complaints about it are invalid but going through all the trouble just to get declined wont help anything, will probably make it worse

A Swarm of Koala15 votes

You can request a refund and still protest the change on the forums. They're not mutually exclusive.

Salron9 votes

Carrying a "message" is pointless and extremely petty considering no one at Riot will care

Not even a little bit

Blakiepug8 votes

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i know i'll get hella downvotes for this but instead of doing something so unnecessary because you don't like the change, how about you don't use the skin? no idea why people like you are so determined to get rid of something you hate or don't like at all. [sg-lux-2]

I mean, this person paid for the skin as it was before. Simply not using the skin doesn't give them their money back, which is why OP is voicing their opinion.

Rosso1 votes

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I mean, this person paid for the skin as it was before. Simply not using the skin doesn't give them their money back, which is why OP is voicing their opinion.

yes, the person did pay for the skin. you and as for everyone will be paying for things that we use for a while then never use anymore. is that bad? no. OP is voicing their opinion, and so am i, what's your point in that regard?

Anu3isII5 votes

There is a difference between "I bought an item that I like and eventually got bored of it" and "I bought an item that I like and I am forced to switch with one that I don't like". As you said, first case is common for everyone, but Frostblade complaints are a result of the second case, where customers don't get the product they desire and also pay for it.

In short, Frostblade users feel like Riot has stolen from them both the original product and their money.

Salron11 votes

Op isn't getting his money or RP back

They'll remove the skin but hes not getting anything in return other than wasting the time of whoever at Riot takes the time to carry out this action

Z3Sleeper2 votes

Cuz you get a refund. It's their policy to refund unwanted skins after major overhauls such as this, since they are effectively removing what you initially paid for.

Salron5 votes

They stopped doing that a while ago

Z3Sleeper1 votes

nanidafuq? Really now? That sucks

Edit: Aight looked it up, this was indeed a long time ago http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4572524

I am Pacman1 votes

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i know i'll get hella downvotes for this but instead of doing something so unnecessary because you don't like the change, how about you don't use the skin? no idea why people like you are so determined to get rid of something you hate or don't like at all. [sg-lux-2]

Did you even read the post?

He outlines pretty clearly why he is doing this.

MagicFlyingLlama19 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

I said okay19 votes

How ironic! Today I got sent to bed without dinner because I didn't want to eat the broccoli on my plate. #throwingafit

Siegfriedx112 votes

[{quoted}](name=I said okay,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RjoAbxiA,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2018-03-24T02:18:22.956+0000)

How ironic! Today I got sent to bed without dinner because I didn't want to eat the broccoli on my plate. #throwingafit

You may not believe it, but some people have done that with success in a thing called "hunger strike".

The point here is not the action itself. Is the message that come along with it. I don't agree that changing a theme is something I should expect from a champion update, therefore this is my personal way of protest.

AmazoX14 votes

This is next level disappointment, sad. 😭

Siegfriedx114 votes

I'm very proud of my decision as I don't support riot using the idea of reworking a champion as a shield to change completely the theme of my skin. What is the next step? Cyborg Soraka becoming Project Soraka? Dragon slayer pantheon becoming lizard slayer pantheon?

I bought crio futuristic irelia, not winter wonder.

Sharp Chedarr8 votes

Really unnecessary bro lol. It's not that serious.

ntbcool4 votes

There has to be a point were you (you as in the op and people in general) just let little shit go... Not everything you dislike is an attack.

FOR JUSTICE6 votes

send a support ticket.

Siegfriedx15 votes

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send a support ticket.

I sent.

WngNut5 votes

A friend of mine did the same, rito basically said they hope he comes to like it in the future and no. Best of luck with your attempt but I wouldn't hold your breath.

andzki5 votes

so sad gamer moment 1000 likesp ls

Poppystar5 votes

im not gonna lie but this is ridiculous. what even do you suggest they change about the skin? they already tweaked it and its up on pbe now with changes people begged for. reworking a champion gives riot the ability to breathe new life into old skin concepts that had no logical direction. If you liked the cyro aspect about her, then what would you add? Saying remove the skin isnt giving helpful feedback. Riot listens to feedback so give some valid feedback and you may just be heard.

Furious Delisha6 votes

You misread the post. He just wants a refund. He does not expect Riot to change anything about the skin at this point.

Siegfriedx13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Furious Delisha,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RjoAbxiA,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2018-03-24T02:34:50.844+0000)

You misread the post. He just wants a refund. He does not expect Riot to change anything about the skin at this point.

They stated they will not change it, hence my reaction.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

OP does not deserve a refund in any way.

Terms of use never state that the skin is going to be usable forever without changes, and expecting this as something implied is irrational, since online video games always get terminated eventually.

Furious Delisha1 votes

You misread my post. I never said he deserves a refund. Stop putting words in other people's mouths.

Siegfriedx13 votes

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im not gonna lie but this is ridiculous. what even do you suggest they change about the skin? they already tweaked it and its up on pbe now with changes people begged for. reworking a champion gives riot the ability to breathe new life into old skin concepts that had no logical direction. If you liked the cyro aspect about her, then what would you add? Saying remove the skin isnt giving helpful feedback. Riot listens to feedback so give some valid feedback and you may just be heard.

I sent a some what detailed feedback to riot before doing that. People need to understand that feedback is not a signature saying that I will accept everything they do with me.

Weiss Guertena2 votes

It's too late to do anything meaningful on this skin now. Only thing they could do now is develop a new skin with parts of the old theme - let it be Hextech or Project Irelia for example - and give it to everyone who owned Frostblade before the announcement. But sadly, that kind of consideration for players is something only a player-focused company would do - so not Riot.

Charm With parm5 votes

Honestly, i get that the skin is highly disappointing and what not, but requesting for riot to remove a skin from your account and then posting about it on boards just makes you seem like a big drama queen. Literally just don't use the skin? Sending a support ticket and wasting a rioters time for something so unnecessary and unimportant is pretty stupid.

Siegfriedx12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Charm With parm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RjoAbxiA,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2018-03-24T15:01:25.764+0000)

Honestly, i get that the skin is highly disappointing and what not, but requesting for riot to remove a skin from your account and then posting about it on boards just makes you seem like a big drama queen. Literally just don't use the skin? Sending a support ticket and wasting a rioters time for something so unnecessary and unimportant is pretty stupid.

My post have literally 2 lines just sharing that I was disappointed with the skin.

The amount of childish drama coming from some users is beyond me. To judge that a costumer entering in contact with the company over a change in my good as a waste of time, you probably don't have a clue to what riot support is there for.

ntbcool5 votes

Definitely over dramatic.

SweedishGunner4 votes

Interesting request. The thematic change from Frostblade to Woad Scout or whatever makes little sense. If Riot felt it looked too SpecOps like then why not just release a new skin and preserve the old Frostblade thematic.

Iręlía3 votes

I just want to say, no one is ever entitled to their money back. Regardless if a skin is changed. As per the EULA agreement that you agree to before playing and registering into the game, it states that you are only given the temporary liscense to use the League of Legends content, and this liscense may be revoked/changed at anytime for any reason.

The liscense is being change in this case, but you still arent entitled to your money back.

Its basically like paying rent once, and trying to see how long your landlord lets you stay on one month's rent.

This is not to say you don't have the right to your opinion, and I do sympathize with you. but agreements are agreements.

Hope this helped. <3

Evelynn

Champion Skin1 votes

Well not like all EULAs are lawful or enforceable so something being in the EULA doesn't mean it would actually hold up in court

http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/05/eula/ (yeah it is ancient but things haven't actually changed much on that front)

FurriesAreHot1 votes

EULAs you agree to are lawful and hold up in court more than “ass not big enough”

Villainous V3 votes

You want a refund for something you assumably bought years ago because it got changed recently and you don't like it? Jesus the boards are so entitled.

OtomCold3 votes

Hey everyone.

I'd just like to remind you all that even if you have disagreements in opinions you must remain civil and respectful towards fellow community members. You may not agree with their view, but that does not give you the right to insult the person. Comments that do not adhere to the Boards Rules will be removed.

PePsiLemoNN2 votes

Wow you're such a badass for doing that. I wanna be just like you when I grow up.

Almighty2 votes

Plot twist: Frostblade Irelia has now recieved model and splash art tweaks on PBE.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9Kz1_jonzP4/WrWuddRSraI/AAAAAAAA8JU/8lprt7K2j642N1UXTKztCKiof1yTqyxTACLcBGAs/s1600/irelia4compare.jpg https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dLF3ia2bAqM/WrWUt91Ox5I/AAAAAAAA8GM/D0KMr9SmtZ8JwMg01rGWMZZcq8Y7zg4TwCLcBGAs/s1600/comparison.gif

You might want to reconsider your decision. Seriously, there are 4 other skins to choose from. Nobody is forcing you to play with Frostbalde Irelia every signle time.

http://www.auplod.com/u/dpoula9d885.png

Rexxiee3 votes

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Plot twist: Frostblade Irelia has now recieved model and splash art tweaks on PBE.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9Kz1_jonzP4/WrWuddRSraI/AAAAAAAA8JU/8lprt7K2j642N1UXTKztCKiof1yTqyxTACLcBGAs/s1600/irelia4compare.jpg https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dLF3ia2bAqM/WrWUt91Ox5I/AAAAAAAA8GM/D0KMr9SmtZ8JwMg01rGWMZZcq8Y7zg4TwCLcBGAs/s1600/comparison.gif

You might want to reconsider your decision. Seriously, there are 4 other skins to choose from. Nobody is forcing you to play with Frostbalde Irelia every signle time.

http://www.auplod.com/u/dpoula9d885.png

It still looks nothing like frostblade irelia, its still winter wonder irelia but now blue instead of purple.

Riot is just casually trying to sweep the issue under the rug hoping everyone forgets about it.

At the very least they should offer a free refund for ppl who bought it before the skin changes were shown, if they cared about the community that is but its obvious that they dont.

Superspick1 votes

Why would anyone be entitled for a refund now when purchasers of online video games whose servers have been shut down did not get their money back?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you bought and used the skin for years now. Yeah, they changed it, but why exactly would you or anyone get a refund for a paid product you have already been using for X time?

Fkin snowflakes.

DragonShea2 votes

then don't play with the skin.

Witch of Babylon2 votes

Why is this in gameplay tho

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

For anyone that doesn't seem to understand, op is not getting his money back. Riot no longer gives people refunds for anything when a champion gets a VGU. They used to do it for people who mained the champion, but then it turned into people asking for money back that had 5 games on the champ so they stopped doing it to make their lives easier. OP is not getting his money back and is trying to be edgy with this statement that is effectively doing nothing.

RedPannda2 votes

They did it when they fucked up Dragonslayer Pantheon. There is precedent for it and I too will be requesting a refund. They obliterated the skin we loved and replaced every single part of her with something we didn't ask for. It is the only skin they completely reworked and it's not right.

Modl Ryden l1 votes

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Siegfriedx12 votes

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What a pretentious fat head. You guys are taking this way too hard.

YOUR skin? You never contributed to it's design. You never drew up a sketch for it. You're just a consumer who bought it. And now you're being all self righteous because you don't like how it looks anymore?

Wow that $4 you spend 5 years ago isn't what like anymore.

Are you ok?

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