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The problem with balancing Veigar (or trying to)

frenchdavid50·2/27/2015, 12:15:35 AM·1 votes·1,104 views

Veigar is a great idea for a champ. He's trying to be evil and wants to obliterate all in his path. The concept was that he would cage you and oneshot you in the cage, or if you were stupid enough to run you would get oneshot while stunned. But the "cage" was a tricky, undodgable skillshot stun most couldn't land reliably or escape. So when his core item was removed, he went from decent to bad. Then they nerfed his damage and removed his stun. This was good-intentioned, but poorly executed. Veigar needs to trap and kill people reliably, and neither old Viegar or new Veigar can. Old Veigar only hit his stun when he was good enough, new Veigar barely has a stun. The problem is he was designed to be an evil character that makes you feel helpless as he traps and kills you. So the emphasis is on trapping people in a box OF DEATH. But now the box just dosn't show up. So he needs some way to still catch people as well as have enough damage.

Option A: Keep his identity as a 100-0 mage. This would mean either making his E do some damage or making it reliably stun. How? I don't know, but having a 0.75 second delay on the stun dosn't help. I would recommend some damage aplification and/or a way of catching people.

Option B: Change Veigar into something else. I like the idea of lane-bully Veigar. A skillshot Q, maybe a larger W, an E designed to zone and a beyond powerful ultimate that punishes any mistake. Another option would be doing the old Riot balance-aroo and throwing mobility at Veigar, making him not even need a stun because he can get close enough anyway.

TL;DR Viegar is extremely hard to balance and needs some serious looking at.

10 Comments

Edgar Van Ekart2/27/2015, 12:25:35 AM2 votes

Hes hard to balanced due to his somewhat low counterplay due to that point n click 300 gold button against mages, if you get fed off him, you can only buy magic pen because if you build some ap, his damage keeps increasing because his ult scales off the enemys ap and good Veigar players almost always hit his stun because it was instant and it`s a very powerful utility spell when used correctly.

RazorTS2/27/2015, 12:33:07 AM2 votes

It would be great if they changed E mechanics to

After the stun has activated, champions inside Event Horizon cannot leave the area by any means, if they try to they get stopped by edge of the wall in direction they were moving

should work on anything, shen and tf teleport, LB dash+backs, jumps, dashes, flashes you name it. No one can escape a black hole right?

if you like the idea spam it everywhere you see an opportunity, hopefully someone from riot would notice this

RandyKuntz312/27/2015, 12:18:55 AM1 votes

My personally opinion is that as Veigar stands currently is pretty good and doesn't need a change. The change on the E didn't make him useless as everyone's saying I can still mange to land my E a decent amount of time you just have to play it smart, and I think everything else is good on him he's meant to be a champion with a 1 shot potential.

Seth Lightheart2/27/2015, 12:46:23 AM1 votes

{quoted} The problem is he was designed to be an evil character that makes you feel helpless as he traps and kills you.

Helpless and trapped is when your dad beats you with a belt... not something I want to replicate in a game.