It has about the same area, it's walls don't dissappear, it stuns instead of slows, you can place it from range, and it's on a basic ability. Yeah it doesn't do damage, but then there's the rest of veigar's kit.
Comparing abilities in a vacuum without referencing the kit around them is ridiculous..
Veigar's stun is incredibly strong for a basic ability, and The Box is incredibly weak for an ultimate ability, mainly because Riot decided to continually nerf The Box when Thresh was a problem, despite it being his weakest ability.
Threshs other abilities work with his ult though since he could pull or push people to other edges
It's not about individual abilities
It's how those abilities interact with the rest of their kit
That's why saying things such as "this new champion is just a combination of X, Y, and Z" is not a valid argument
By that logic, isn't Zilean's stun an objectively better Thresh Ult? Or Ekko's. Or Viktor's.
And yet Thresh still sees more competitive play.
I mean, Thresh isn't exactly reliant on his ult, so that's also that...
His ult just gives him more CC so he can engage into teamfights.
Though to answer your question, yes.
Everyone here seems very Eager to forget the Massive Delay on viegars Dark Matter
I really wouldn't ignore thresh ult damage it's quite high since it scales off his souls and has decent base damage. (it also has a 100% AP ratio, but most threshes only get AP from souls).
thresh's wall damage is insane and comparing them is useless because they are 2 vastly different champions
veigar's E is his only meaning of existance early and mid game, it is given to him so he isn't completely useless until mid late game.
you don't pick thresh for his ult
i agree that it's a lackluster ability, especially when compared to veigar e, but that doesn't mean veigar needs to get nerfed (as a veigar player i feel that he's in a really good spot balance-wise atm) it means that thresh needs a better ult
viegar stun does no damage and isn't attached to an unkillable cc machine that can disable you for close to 2 seconds.
thresh ult is also instant isn't it?
Literally nobody mentions the delay in the casting of Event Horizon?
Also, enemies can run into multiple of Thresh's walls, making it potentially better for escapes.
It has about the same area, it's walls don't dissappear, it stuns instead of slows, you can place it from range, and it's on a basic ability. Yeah it doesn't do damage, but then there's the rest of veigar's kit.
what was that deleted post about?
true but thresh's ult does damage if they walk through it
Thresh's ult is instant and Veigar's stun is on a delay that you can dodge.
i take veig supp all the time bc fuck thresh
Thresh in general is not incredible right now
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So what? Wow, I can't imagine why completely different champions have different kits. Oh hey, on that note, let's talk about how Kayle's ult is a better Trynd ult, wynaut.
Are you saying they should switch?
