Hourglass promotes less Skill expressive plays and playstyles, Change my mind.

FemalesAreLesser·3/22/2019, 3:52:22 AM·3 votes·1,296 views

Cause why outplay someone when you can press a button. AS someone who highly Favors skill expressive champions, that require alot of time to understand their mechanics, animation and auto cancels, combos and more, i feel like stopwatch, and zhonyas hourglass take the skill expression away from champions, and from those playing into it makes you playing your heart out pointless. cause nothing feels worse then outplaying the opponent, then them at the very end pressing that sweet get out of jail free card thats given to them in the rune page, or bought for such a low price.

10 Comments

ChrisBrownze3/22/2019, 4:03:58 AM11 votes

Just because you failed to check your opponents items prior to engaging your opponent and died tower diving and they lived by using the stopwatch you didnt see they had, doesnt mean an item should be removed from the game.

Baron Barian3/22/2019, 4:07:31 AM8 votes

If one button messes you up that badly, then how much skill do you really have?

Dynikus3/22/2019, 4:34:53 AM4 votes

There's skill in using zhonya's at the right time. How many times have you seen someone zhonya's after going in 1v3 and getting deleted the second it wears off?

hrooza dota 3/22/2019, 5:56:37 AM3 votes

clicking tap once allow you to see the whole enemy items.

if you silly enough to dive with them having X or Y item then you need to improve your skills of learning your enemys (this is like diving a Malzahar or any one with stun and complain about them being skill less )

also its not out of jail card, just kill them when they get out of it bruh.

EthreainAmbusher3/22/2019, 4:08:55 AM3 votes

I agree, however, the item is a blessing and a curse in some situations, which is why it's a situational item for most.

For example, If you Zhonya (stasis) while running to dodge a Veigar ultimate, he is almost guaranteed to E stun you and burst you down with a W+Q

However, if you are in a smaller skirmish or are engaging into a team, being put in stasis would, in some cases, be understandably thought of as overpowered, but that would make the skirmish or teamfight a number advantage for the enemy team, even if for 2.5 seconds, which is a very long time for you to lose a fight, especially if you are carrying a team.

However, the build path for Zhonya's Hourglass is a very good one, if not the best in the game. With the buildpath being:

1 .Armor + AP that increases from minion kills, 2. AP + CDR, 3. and a free stasis before you even finish the item.

Which is a huge reason why I agree with you.

Take away the armor or some of the AP, and you have a very good situational item, lower gold value combined + a high cooldown with a good active makes a decent item, but as-is, i'd agree with you and say it's slightly overloaded, though the champions I play rarely have a hard time against people who build Zhonya's Hourglass as an essential item.

The Stopwatch rune is really only good around 12m though, and it can be the reason some champions like Renekton or Jax can all-in dive you under tower with a minion wave shoved in and press a key and make what would've been a 1-1 a free kill, so I see why you'd be slightly tilted from experiencing something such as that.

Ahri Baka3/22/2019, 12:59:29 PM1 votes

It's also promoting less skill intensive play when you are a mobile champion and I'm freaking immobile yet you outdamage me and I can never kill you

It also doesn't take skill if you are Zed and I'm TF or Lux and you press R to dodge my CC Or if I'm Neeko and you're Vayne , you dodge my CC and come to kill me The ONLY thing I can LITERALLY do is that pressing that 1 Button and hoping fot someone to get me out.

Oleandervine3/22/2019, 1:42:48 PM1 votes

Why do people need to change the mind of someone with a clearly inferior and ill conceived opinion?

xDogMeatx3/22/2019, 3:42:00 PM1 votes

to be fair the item is annoying when it goes off when you dont want the enemy zhonyas well... they do that. trying to hammer their zhonyas body in revenge is probably the most acceptable reaction due to frustration.