@IronStylus Cho'Gath? Also a Cho'Gath discussion in the meta.

GibIets·Apr 25, 2015·3 votes·958 views

Last year you responded to a post saying he was being looked at, where is he now? Did you scrap that idea and restart?

And for the community, what do you think of cho? Too OP in mid right now?

CopyPasting my rant from reddit: His silence is his "bread and butter" ablility, and it enables him to land q (enemy cannot dash away) and some autos and ult. I assume you are talking about AP mid Cho'Gath, but although he can 1shot carries, he is incredibly immobile and needs flash to oneshot from not point blank range and his q is incredibly easy to dodge without being CC'd, and right now tank cho isnt to great compared to ap because of his long static cooldowns (9 seconds on Q, 13 on W)

For ideas of a rework, I think they should look into they grows with ult (Still keep his current ult, its his defining ability) and levels and incorporate that into all of his abilities where as he gets bigger and more dangerous, like nasus where he is a god late if not taken care of early. They should keep his immobility and amazing aoe. Riot could also make him a sustain tank like Maokai or Gragas. Or if riot decides to make cho still be able to play as a AP mid or AP tank top, make it so when he builds more AP side he stays smaller and is more vulnerable with more AP like skills but if he's played tank he is larger and his abilities work as low damage aoe cc moves.

Since I'm on a roll about Cho'Gath I'll talk about what I want visually. Iron Stylus said he wanted Cho to be a "Kaiju of the void". I think they can work well with that by giving him sea creature like characteristics but I hope they still keep his smarts and not turn him into Rek'Sai's dumber meatier older brother. His visual appearance should appear weak and vulnerable early (exposed cracks in his hard armor-like skin showing his weaker smooth skin) but as he stacks ult and levels up gets grows large chitin and is more like a walking brick wall that you want to stay away from.

So thats my Cho'Gath love/Vu rant. Waddaya think?

6 Comments

It Hertz When IPApr 25, 20151 votes

I feel like Cho'Gath is intended to be an AP off-tank with his CDs as his defining weakness: he misses his abilities, and you have a clear window to strike back in.

Having his entire kit change based on his ult stacks seems utterly overcomplicated to me. Visual changes based on it could be a possible ultimate skin for him (another).

GibIetsApr 25, 20151 votes

I'm just grabbing at strings here, I really enjoy AP so i want that to still exist but I also like being a giant wall.

AsphodelNextApr 25, 20151 votes

To me, it always felt like his immobility was his defining weakness; you can run at a Kalista or a Lucian all you want, but you'll never catch them unless you're already close enough to kill them. Without Flash, Cho'gath has no gap closer and is fairly easy to kite. The other "weakness" I always think about is being large; you have to really try to miss a skillshot on a Cho. But that really just comes with the role of being tanky and soaking up damage for your carries; really bad in 1v1, but great in teamfights.

There's only one ability Cho'gath ever misses. Scream is almost undodgeable without a flash(even dashes are probably too slow)and Feast is point and click. So really, the only missed ability you'll have to wait on is Rupture. And a Cho'gath without Rupture still has a load of burst damage in melee range, and AOE silence for assassins/bruisers who dive the back line. It's not really about missing abilities though; it's more about if Cho'gath uses his abilities on other targets, then you have a window. Like if he Feasts a minion, or Screams on your front line, then you can go in while he's waiting on CDs. It's never felt like a defining weakness to me though; it's a weakness pretty much any champion with CC has, since low cooldown CC is a really bad gameplay pattern(URF Mode Brand/Taric/Blitz...).

Buttigieg 2020Apr 26, 20151 votes

Cho is fine. He is an immobile melee with an easy to dodge skillshot. If you dodge the q you are fine.

aaronconlinApr 26, 20151 votes

Honestly I like Cho'Gath as he is. I think he's in a healthy spot. He has clear windows of opportunity for his opponent to hurt him if he missed his Q or used his silence at the wrong time, and if he's shut down early he's not a threat, but at the same time if left unchecked he becomes a walking devouring machine. He has burst damage and sustain but he's highly immobile to make up for it. The only thing I would like to see is maybe a small effect change if he's at max stacks or something

BeoridasApr 26, 20151 votes

since this is the tank meta. hes a very good spot. BUT, that means the rise of everything that kills them are also strong. i hate shyvanas and vaynes lemme tell ya.