This is a support item - 
(This item gives 30+ armor and 60+ magic resist) Why not give it a little bit more HP? So that support tanks could be more tanky on bot lane.It could be like - 200+ HP 45 armor and 60 magic resist - Im just giving out an idea, doesnt have to be like this - but this item needs to have HP in its build. Supports on bot lane lack tankiness
Warlord Rhinark1 votesthis item needs to have HP in its build
I disagree.
UnknownTerritory1 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Qq927KvX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-14T12:43:59.734+0000)
I disagree.
Explain why?
Warlord Rhinark1 votesExplain why?
Locket of the Iron Solari is already a pretty strong item as it is. I don't think it needs any buffs.
rtbf2216514121 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Qq927KvX,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-14T13:21:25.802+0000)
Locket of the Iron Solari is already a pretty strong item as it is. I don't think it needs any buffs.
They nerfed this item. You realize this right? I haven't seen it built in ages.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesThey nerfed this item. You realize this right? I haven't seen it built in ages.
Haven't you seen LCS?
Almost every support buys it as their 2nd/3rd item.
rtbf2216514121 votes[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Qq927KvX,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-14T16:14:55.622+0000)
Haven't you seen LCS?
Almost every support buys it as their 2nd/3rd item.
Was this before or after the nerf?
Before or after tanking became basically useless?
Warlord Rhinark1 votesWas this before or after the nerf?
Before or after tanking became basically useless?
Well that's a decent point I guess.
ZephyrDrake1 votestank supports are able to build stupid amounts of HP. Supports in bot lane do not lack tankyness in the slightest, not in the HP department at the bare minimum
UnknownTerritory1 votestank supports are able to build stupid amounts of HP. Supports in bot lane do not lack tankyness in the slightest, not in the HP department at the bare minimum
Sure. And where do you know? Do you main support? I do. I have so much games as a support and when im building the standart Support Items they dont give enough armor or HP so when the other ADC get fed i get destroyed? Is it fair? no i dont think so/ Support items must be buffed and optimized since Support shields got nerfed. Tanks feel useless because they dont have enough HP. Stupid Amounts??????? - Well the HP provide a bettter protection overall - You dont want to get shotted by a talon or another assasin - Tank get one shotted by an assasin - great job. Arent tanks supposed to be tanky with alot of armor and magic resist?
meowwow72 votesi was about to say the only time i have a ton of hp is when i'm alistar, and that's just due to him having 1 of the highest hp pools in the game. mostly when i'm playing a tank support i have a ton of res but no hp so i get melted by true dmg and % res pen
UnknownTerritory1 votesi was about to say the only time i have a ton of hp is when i'm alistar, and that's just due to him having 1 of the highest hp pools in the game. mostly when i'm playing a tank support i have a ton of res but no hp so i get melted by true dmg and % res pen
I agree. It sucks.
meowwow72 votesbut putting hp on an item that scales with bonus hp is not a good idea ._.
UnknownTerritory1 votes[deleted]
ZephyrDrake1 votesSure. And where do you know? Do you main support? I do. I have so much games as a support and when im building the standart Support Items they dont give enough armor or HP so when the other ADC get fed i get destroyed? Is it fair? no i dont think so/ Support items must be buffed and optimized since Support shields got nerfed. Tanks feel useless because they dont have enough HP. Stupid Amounts??????? - Well the HP provide a bettter protection overall - You dont want to get shotted by a talon or another assasin - Tank get one shotted by an assasin - great job. Arent tanks supposed to be tanky with alot of armor and magic resist?
"tank get one shotted by assassin" when that actually happens let me know. Not a single assassin is going to one shot you as a tank unless they are so fed and you are so behind that any champion would be one shotting anyone given that spot and yes you do get a stupid amounts of HP as a tank support. Just because you have no idea how to build a tank support doesn't mean that they don't get HP in pretty much every single item they build and considering that he vast majority of tank supports (and tanks in general) also have things on their kits that increases their defensive capabilities I find it hilarious that you want an already strong item to be even more powerful... I mean if you want a price increase which would just make it so it's more of a luxury support item that actual tanks would just use and take as their own then sure let's increase the stats of the item
rtbf2216514122 votes"tank get one shotted by assassin" when that actually happens let me know. Not a single assassin is going to one shot you as a tank
With the amount of true damage, lethality, % damage, cleaved armor, and etc running around...
Also, 
was considered an assassin back in the day.
I really can't call him a fighter.
ZephyrDrake1 votesWith the amount of true damage, lethality, % damage, cleaved armor, and etc running around...
Also,
I really can't call him a fighter.
yeah, I forgot that assassins had 6 items by minute 1... sorry but no assassin is one shotting you as a tank. You can come and say "but we have all this!" so? it's like people who constantly say 
+ 
makes you so tanky! yet other than Draven nobody cares about this combination of items. True damage doesn't apply to most assassins, lethality and all armor penetration can be mitigated by armor. Sorry that you cannot go like a monkey in a 1v5 scenario and comeback alive taking barely any damage. Sorry that you have to actually think about your engages as a tank instead of just going "lol" and engaging with no regard for the enemy team
rtbf2216514121 votesyeah, I forgot that assassins had 6 items by minute 1...
Sorry, but you did forget that nobody can 1 shot one minute in.
UnknownTerritory2 votes"tank get one shotted by assassin" when that actually happens let me know. Not a single assassin is going to one shot you as a tank unless they are so fed and you are so behind that any champion would be one shotting anyone given that spot and yes you do get a stupid amounts of HP as a tank support. Just because you have no idea how to build a tank support doesn't mean that they don't get HP in pretty much every single item they build and considering that he vast majority of tank supports (and tanks in general) also have things on their kits that increases their defensive capabilities I find it hilarious that you want an already strong item to be even more powerful... I mean if you want a price increase which would just make it so it's more of a luxury support item that actual tanks would just use and take as their own then sure let's increase the stats of the item
Sure you build the support items that dont give anything > They dont give any HP like iron solari - I know its strong item that gives you shield but it doesnt give HP. If they give HP they can make the item more expensive so its possible. So you build your first item as a support - the one that gives you vision - Next you build Iron solari - but wait that item doest have any HP in it. So you go fo the other items in the game that have HP but they are not designed for Supports. Going for HP item is bad because it cost alot more than a support item. And you as a support on the other hand receive the HALF of Gold in the game. Because you dont farm. The games are so quickly these days. You dont have any time to build any HP item since you receive so much little Gold. Support items should have more HP,magic resistances,armor because how are you going to protect yourself? You are going to buy a 
?????? - This item cost 2900 gold and its not suitable for support tanks - I explained you why in my text. Take this item - It cost 2200. Take this item - 
how much does it cost? (2200) See? Support items are not expensive because Supports dont receive more gold - The support items like 
give the half of the gold. You cant just buy other items like since they cost 2900. You will end up with 2 items in the 20 min. And games are not that long, you wont be able to get more items than that