Why hasn’t Riot figured it out yet that adding voice chat will create less toxicity?

CapnMorganFr3man·1/28/2020, 6:49:15 PM·5 votes·1,389 views

There’s an ancient fallacy Riot has used to justify their stance on toxicity: that people win more games when they aren’t toxic. Statistically speaking, this is obviously true as any boosted bonobo can see, but if we’re being honest, you’re not going to be toxic to your teammates when you’re already winning the game, right? By this extension minimizing the player’s chances of losing minimizes their ability to be toxic. So how far would you reduce your chances of losing if, instead of arbitrarily pinging DANGER DANGER you said ‘Syndra blitz is coming get to turret?’ How much would you reduce your chances of losing a team fight if you were able to have a dialogue with your teammates on how to approach the fight instead of spending 5 minutes typing an essay while the enemy team takes a Dragon?

And say nothing of how it’ll help bridge the growing gap between solo queue and professional play as well. Half the champions that get nerfed in pro play are nerfed because they do well on a coordinated team, and while those nerfs still leave them as solid picks in pro play, it totally ruins their playability in solo queue (examples off the top of my head include Kench, Galio, & Shen.) I wouldn’t be so bold as to say it would make balancing pro play and solo queue one and the same, but it would certainly make Tahm Kench feel like less of a troll pick if you had the ability to tell your adc ‘they backed and mid is pushing, let’s ult to mid and set up a kill’ rather than trying to ping ASSIST ME ASSIST ME four times, spend four minutes typing your plan, and then missing your opportunity to execute your plan because you spent four minutes doing something that takes four seconds in any other modern game.

Riot at this point what do you have to justify not adding voice chat to all matches? You can’t say it wouldn’t take more than a few weeks (dare I say DAYS) to add since you already have it for parties. You can’t say it wouldn’t be hard to develop a punishment system for verbally toxic players since you’re a billion dollar company (we’re not cavemen, we have TECHNOLOGY.) The only reasons I can think of that you haven’t added voice comms yet is you believe it’ll somehow underscore your draconian stance on verbal abuse (admitting the solution to toxicity is simply players muting players instead of reporting them for a permaban,) but at the end of the day what does that matter? What’s wrong with allowing players to self-regulate their experiences with other players? Adding features would never take away from the game, it’d only IMPROVE it, and those who don’t want to use voice chat can simply disable it.

This joke has gone on for almost as long as the game’s been around, and honestly it’s getting old

43 Comments

Zezockary1/28/2020, 7:44:00 PM6 votes

Joining a voice chat with random people is a commitment that, if added, would make me and many others not want to play the game as much. If I play with you and then decide I like you and want to play more with you, then I will voice chat with you, but I'm not going to voice chat with 4 strangers every match, that is a lot of stress I don't want to deal with. I don't really like talking to new people. If I am going to play a few games with you that is a different story, and discord and league's voice chat work for that.

And not using the voice chat isn't really an option either, I have played other games like Overwatch where random people are raging at me in voice chat because I don't want to talk to them. I shouldn't be expected to and that expectation will drive many people away from the game.

EDIT: Also, I don't like your poll options so I am not voting in it. Your answer options are yes, no, and yes, which presents the idea up front that your argument has more merit than your opposition which is very disrespectful and doesn't help your chances at generating a positive discussion.

AeroWaffle1/29/2020, 12:28:08 AM4 votes

I doubt it would reduce the negative behavior in the game since voice chat would just be another avenue for someone to behave extremely poorly with very little chance of consequences.

Riot isn't going to store audio logs (way too much space needed) nor will they personally review each game (and an automated system wouldn't be able to judge voice nearly as effectively as chat).

2gudaiya1/28/2020, 7:56:23 PM4 votes

because there are oversensitive socially anxious shills telling them not to put anon voice chat in da ting.

Koiyaki1/28/2020, 9:19:46 PM3 votes

My thing is that its basically just another avenue for trolls(whether they be flaming or being overly loud/yelling). Then theres the whole thing of people making fun of peopls voices but thats anoyher thing.

Then theres the flaming of people who are in chat at the people who dont wanna use the chat and people false reporting them for not communicating ( those reports wont do anything but that doeant stop people from complaining)

Like in premades/ with friends vc can be fun and great...but the internet is garbage. Yes i understand other games arr different environments but from playing fighting games, playing overwatch, using discord for endgame raids on wow and ffxiv...its barely ever been a good experience for me, even if we're stomping.

People are garbage and rito is just trying to stop just a tiny bit of headache for themselves to try and monitor. So like i dont want it cuz i just think itll bring more negativity that actual communication.

GreenKnight1/28/2020, 6:53:26 PM3 votes

Go play R6 Siege, Cod, Battlefield or any other of the hundreds other shooters and then come back.

Trust me, voice chat is just as toxic as it's text based counterpart.

Lenaro1/28/2020, 9:36:14 PM3 votes

It's long overdue that League has the option for voice chat. Plenty of people wouldn't use it - and that's fine, but it would at least allow for ease of communication without needing to try to quickly share a link before match start and hope everyone saw it. One of the larger benefits of premade teams is their ability to assist with callouts, that ability is sorely lacking. Pinging is a poor substitute for better and faster information.

Pombagira1/28/2020, 7:07:07 PM2 votes

It will be harder to report them because if they say over voice call "Fuck you feeder troll I'm inting" or some ZT word it will be hard to prove that. Especially if they soft int. I do want a voice com though it will be easier to communicate efficiently with the team about objectives than typing it.

Saezio1/28/2020, 9:47:21 PM2 votes

Riot : Players that are toxic lose more games. Common sense: This doesn't mean they lose more games BECAUSE of toxicity. Riot: 200 years say different. Common sense: By this logic shouldn't there be a tip saying "Teams that have yuumi lose 25% more games" ? Riot : 200 years say different. Common sense: Couldn't losing games be what causes the toxicity and not the other way around. How do you determine where causation lies? Riot : 200 years...

Kroda131/28/2020, 7:37:50 PM2 votes

Isnt there already Voice Chat?

Dino Boy1/29/2020, 12:22:42 AM2 votes

What if they added voice chat, but the players would have to opt in or out of it whenever they choose throughout the game.