Why I'am getting One Shotted with 7k hp 188 magic resist and 188 armour as full tank Cho'Gath......

SixCrimsonShade·Feb 28, 2019·3 votes·1,656 views

Everytime I go top I auto lose lane to anybody that has the new "Nerfed" Conquer I main Cho'Gath mostly and I don't understand how Champs with this rune are tankier than me. Why Does Grasp Work Better On Ranged Champions than Actual Tanks. It sucks. God Forbid if Janna Goes Top Lane With Grasp, Not a Dammed thing I can do in the world to kill her as Tank Cho'Gath. Then If you build AP, every one can oneshot you just as easily, I don't get it. It's like Riot doesn't want tanks in the game, then I get my teammates yelling at me "BUILD TANK BUILD TANK" What does it matter The Vayne does 70% True Dmg. Does any one Feel My Pain.

25 Comments

DynikusFeb 28, 201915 votes

You aren't getting 1 shot as a 7k, almost 200 armor and mr anything. There's no champion that can do that, unless you're spending like several hours just letting a nasus or veigar farm.

SixCrimsonShadeFeb 28, 20193 votes

When I say One Shot I mean nothing I can do to avoid dying not instantly dying, For Example Master Yi Auto's You're getting hit by 6 or 7 Autos at the same to every second, you wouldn't know unless you actually play the dammed champion.

Who Fed RuFeb 28, 20196 votes

that's not an one shot then?

and there are a lot of things that you can do to prevent dying in situations. it starts with proper positioning.

SixCrimsonShadeFeb 28, 20193 votes

Yes Proper Positioning on A Champion that loses movement speed the more health he gets, also someone else who has 5 games on cho'gath....good to know.

SixCrimsonShadeFeb 28, 20193 votes

Yes Proper Positioning on A Champion that loses movement speed the more health he gets, also someone else who has 5 games on cho'gath....good to know. How do you position again Yi that can go though your teammates to get to you....... ._.

MalfectiousFeb 28, 20193 votes

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Yes Proper Positioning on A Champion that loses movement speed the more health he gets, also someone else who has 5 games on cho'gath....good to know. How do you position again Yi that can go though your teammates to get to you....... ._.

Wow...if a Yi is ignoring your mid laner and your adc to kill the chogath (why he has to go through your team to get to a front line fighter is another problem)...then you did your job very well. That is what a tank is for...you know that right? Your job is to soak damage while those other guys kill things like master yi.

SixCrimsonShadeFeb 28, 20192 votes

Exactly my point I could be tanking for my Team and Yi Would Kill me in less than a few seconds. Nobody else can kill him because of his W, His Q and Life Steal, The Only Dmg Cho'Gath Has is is Ult.

MalfectiousFeb 28, 20194 votes

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Exactly my point I could be tanking for my Team and Yi Would Kill me in less than a few seconds. Nobody else can kill him because of his W, His Q and Life Steal, The Only Dmg Cho'Gath Has is is Ult.

Naw...when he q's to you use your q at your feet...while he is knocked up silence him so he cant heal then feast on his squishy ass.

Who Fed RuFeb 28, 20196 votes

ye sure a yi runs through your team just to "oneshot" the full tank cho, that for some reason is standing in the backline. also you have a ult that can literally take away 70% of his health point and click and a silence.

what elo are we talking about?

hrooza dota Feb 28, 20191 votes

i dont main the champion and did not pick him in this patch but i never got one shotted in 9.3 and before, shredded by tank shredder is fine game, in fact a champion who ment to go through tanks not beating a tank is a bigger problem i would say.

also nobody will take you srs when you keep throwing (you dont play the champ reee) everywhere .

SixCrimsonShadeFeb 28, 20192 votes

No I'm used to it and it is true, I have more games than everyone commenting here combined, and if I was wrong riot wouldn't be buffing cho'gath's E in 9.5....No Body Know's the struggle.

hrooza dota Feb 28, 20191 votes

the buff is a damage buff. no body is fucking arguing if cho is garbage or amazing, everyone is arguing you did not got one shotted and the meaning of one shot.

HammermancerFeb 28, 20197 votes

I was going to chime in and offer advice but I can see you just came here to point fingers

so I'm going to say this and I'm going to be as clear as I can you have a 47% winrate on chogath in bronze, and every time anyone gives you advice you say something like an excuse

if you have 140+ matches in bronze and you're still bronze then you should listen, because statistically the average player is better than you, and 75%ish of the playerbase is better than you

even if onetricking the worst champ in the game an average player will be silver at the least

cho is rather decent, listen to all of the amazing responses here and maybe learn more about itemization. First off you're going the same build every game and I'm pretty sure that archangels is terrible on cho, like extremely terrible, like pointless

like build a randuins instead

like build an iceborn instead if you really need mana

build a luudens instead if you really need the cdr

ProfirixFeb 28, 20192 votes

OP, you need to listen to the constructive comments that people are offering instead of downvoting and insulting people who are offering advice. You came here asking people for answers but you refuse to listen. If you simply came here to rage then you do yourself and the boards a disservice. If you came here to get real substantive answers, some of us are trying to give that to you.

With regards to your build, don't build archangels on Cho. "Full tank" Cho is righteous glory, abyssal mask, warmogs, randuins, iceborn, adaptive, spirit visage, stoneplate, etc. At most you can build a Rod of Ages if you want, but its not necessary. You have to adapt your build based on your opponents. Start building to counter your laning opponent first and then adjust to the power players on the rest of the enemy team.

Chances are if you are getting killed so often it is because you are making mistakes in terms of your positioning. You need to understand your relative power vs. what the enemies bring to the table. Don't get caught out. Buy pink wards and place strategic vision if you are farming. Keep an eye on the map. These are all things you learn as you play the game. Anyone can develop good mechanics with a champion but game sense is the most important thing you can learn. Listen to players who have more experience than you but don't just dismiss those out of hand who offer assistance but don't meet your criteria of 'experienced'.

The entire teamFeb 28, 20196 votes

The real question is: If you have that much HP, then why didn’t you one-shot them?

ProfirixFeb 28, 20194 votes

Gotta be able to get to the target first O.o

The entire teamFeb 28, 20192 votes

Righteous. It’s called running up to them first since they can’t run away without using flash or dashes.

ProfirixFeb 28, 20192 votes

You assume they can land a rupture on a mobile target. If you can't land rupture, you aren't doing anything. If your opponent is any good rupture is one of the easiest skills to dodge and predict in the game.

The entire teamMar 1, 20193 votes

That's what makes Cho'gath a difficult champ to play compared to other champs. He isn't simple by any means, and requires a bit of skill just like any other champ. Amumu needs to land a bandage. Maokai needs to space his ulti for peels. Alistar needs to land his combo correctly and catch as many people as he can.

Chogath has it a little harder to aim (cooldown on Q, wind-up animation, and simple dodging), but he has % health damage to make up for it, and if you're up to play some mind games with the opponent and outsmart them, then that's even better. Plus, the reward for that Q landing play is that he can silence and execute.

If you can't land a Rupture, consider practicing or reading their dodging/attacking behaviours. If they wanna dash out, aim it more backwards, so they have to run to the side and you can approach them easier to attack and eat.

Light BurnerFeb 28, 20194 votes

Post clip pls of you getting 1 shot with that much hp and resistances because i smell bs.

BoltonatorFeb 28, 20194 votes

Was your game three hours long and the enemy had a Veigar with 8000 AP?

draco7777777Feb 28, 20193 votes

Your builds on Cho'gath make me cringe. I'm sorry but that's literally 100% of the reason why you even started this post, because in your games you'd get shredded and wonder why that'd happen, when it's simply because you're not optimizing your items for him. Obviously in certain matchups/situations where you're super ahead I can understand going AP after 1 tank item or building a certain item, maybe even just trying out whacky builds but to not understand how building a certain way then correlates to how that affects your champion, such as all of a sudden being super squishy and useless (as AP Cho's tend to be if caught out/cc'd and bursted) well please don't blame that on anyone or anything else but yourself.

Tahminatrix Mar 1, 20193 votes

Did you build item 3075 ?

Asking because you mentioned yi in a few of your replies.

Its unfortunately required for hp tanks since you are basically just living healthpots for auto attackers like yi who can use your hp against you to out tank you and shred you.

God help you if the enemy can heal off of you using abilities......riot really needs a better grevious wounds item for tanks....against kayn I would go as far as getting item 3812 since it reduces the direct damage from his abilities by a third (and by extension his healing off of you by a third) and converts it to a dot which I assume wont heal him....

All because im desperate to not heal him...

AlzonFeb 28, 20192 votes

I feel you, buddy. The delta between damage and defense is insane right now, to the point where building tank is almost never the correct answer (but offtank is still better than full damage on these champs).

ProfirixFeb 28, 20192 votes

There is no way you are getting one-shot. Chances are you are giving your laning opponent ample opportunity to harass you and whittle you down. Then, you try to CS and because you let yourself get poked to death end up getting ganked or solo killed. You have to know when to concede and not push against certain opponents and when to spot aggressive behavior and punish it accordingly. As Cho'Gath, you should be taking grasp top and the amount of damage you deal is based on your maximum health, meaning a grasp proc mid game will hurt significantly more. And if you find yourself struggling against an opponent, ask for help and buy corrupting potion.

You are clearly doing something wrong if you are struggling to hold lane as Cho'Gath. Go back through your replays and watch your positioning. You need to have enough game knowledge to know which opponents you can be a little more aggressive with and which ones you need to cede the lane to. Cho'Gath is one of those champions who sucks pretty badly early game but has a lot of kill pressure at 6 and scales really really well into late game.