I got chatbanned and I don't think I deserved it, here are the logs.

SixCrimsonShade·Dec 4, 2018·2 votes·2,069 views

In-Game Chat [6:14] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): let him ult you [6:23] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): nvm [11:58] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): I'm going to get drag [12:50] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): sigh [13:51] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): lol [14:11] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): You already lost bot [19:05] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Yall are really encouraging [19:29] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): I know what I'm doing .. [19:35] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Also [19:37] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Autofill [19:53] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): all they doing is crying [20:04] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): and blaming me for losing they lane [21:58] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): fuck is that dmg. [28:11] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Okay Brand [30:02] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Hmmm yall are rude... [30:14] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): So? [30:23] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): I'm reporting you Urgot. [31:34] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Not dying on Purpose you just decided that I did because you're butthurt that nocturne is a better jungle than me lol [32:00] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Lol [32:06] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): So Mad [32:43] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Brand Just died...Inting [33:00] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Reporting you too brand. [33:05] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): So. [33:12] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): I got autofilled .. [33:53] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): I really don't care brand [34:36] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Nah I don't cuz yall are treating me like shit because I;m having a bad game [35:09] [All] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): They lying, I got autofilled jungle and they both flaming me and calling me names cuz I'm having a bad game [36:07] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Okay Draven Whatever you say bud [36:43] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Leave me alone [37:09] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Calls me a Moron and calls it critcizem [37:24] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): ., [37:42] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Yeah you're getting a chat ban [37:49] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): enjoy it [38:11] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Nah for calling me names [38:32] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Do I now... [39:13] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): So because I can't jungle I instantly become a moron? [39:36] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Nice Logic [40:00] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Yes... [40:13] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): Do you know how shitty it is to get autofilled. [40:42] SixCrimsonScales (Rek'Sai): lol Post-Game Chat [2018-12-03 18:37:03 PST] SixCrimsonScales: I didn't flame anyone .. [2018-12-03 18:37:18 PST] SixCrimsonScales: Did I now? [2018-12-03 18:37:22 PST] SixCrimsonScales: What did I say? [2018-12-03 18:37:55 PST] SixCrimsonScales: I treaten to report you because you keep calling me a moron [2018-12-03 18:38:24 PST] SixCrimsonScales: That's reportable not telling someone that they gonna report you... [2018-12-03 18:38:57 PST] SixCrimsonScales: I was defending my self and questioning what yall thought of me not flaming. [2018-12-03 18:39:21 PST] SixCrimsonScales: What did I say? [2018-12-03 18:39:43 PST] SixCrimsonScales: I didn't flame anyone lol [2018-12-03 18:39:49 PST] SixCrimsonScales: I'm the toxic one? [2018-12-03 18:39:59 PST] SixCrimsonScales: And you were the one calling me names [2018-12-03 18:40:12 PST] SixCrimsonScales: I never told anyone to shut up .. [2018-12-03 18:40:21 PST] SixCrimsonScales: I never called any of you one name [2018-12-03 18:40:34 PST] SixCrimsonScales: You got a chat ban [2018-12-03 18:40:53 PST] SixCrimsonScales: Nope [2018-12-03 18:40:57 PST] SixCrimsonScales: That was you [2018-12-03 18:41:07 PST] SixCrimsonScales: Yeah I got one too [2018-12-03 18:41:15 PST] SixCrimsonScales: For you and brand [2018-12-03 18:41:26 PST] SixCrimsonScales: ol [2018-12-03 18:41:47 PST] SixCrimsonScales: It's a instant feedback report [2018-12-03 18:42:04 PST] SixCrimsonScales: You called me names [2018-12-03 18:42:47 PST] SixCrimsonScales: I never disrespected anyone .. [2018-12-03 18:42:56 PST] SixCrimsonScales: Never called anyone any name [2018-12-03 18:43:22 PST] SixCrimsonScales: Guidance by calling me Dumbass and Moron cool [2018-12-03 18:43:58 PST] SixCrimsonScales: Why would I listen to people that are yelling at me. [2018-12-03 18:44:11 PST] SixCrimsonScales: Well whatever man. [2018-12-03 18:44:30 PST] SixCrimsonScales: JUNGLE HELP WE GONNA LOSE BOT [2018-12-03 18:45:02 PST] SixCrimsonScales: So foolish... [2018-12-03 18:45:23 PST] SixCrimsonScales: Whatever dude, I got autofilled. [2018-12-03 18:45:36 PST] SixCrimsonScales: I didn't want to ask nobody to change they role [2018-12-03 18:45:44 PST] SixCrimsonScales: So I tried it.

19 Comments

ResterDec 4, 20187 votes

If you retaliate, you usually make it worse for yourself than the offenders. What you should've done is mute them once it got to the point of flaming and just reported them after.

SixCrimsonShadeDec 4, 20183 votes

I probably should have. I try not to mute people in ranked though, no matter how harsh, annoying or rude they are but I'll be using /mute all now can't take it anymore.

Tahminatrix Dec 4, 20181 votes

Someone downvoted you for agreeing with Rester? lol

JabERw0cKyDec 4, 20182 votes

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If you retaliate, you usually make it worse for yourself than the offenders. What you should've done is mute them once it got to the point of flaming and just reported them after.

Sad, but true. Don't you know, the minute you retaliate you become the monster and the original trolls get away? Then everything is your fault?

Wait.. what? That's not how the Disciplinary System is suppose to work? Well... sure fooled me.

Silly NeekoDec 4, 20183 votes

There is no point in doing /muteall, just mute the ones that are flaming. There is no point trying to defend yourself, just play the game as best you can and mute those that try flaming.

Then report flamers and griefers after game.

SonicAFDec 4, 20183 votes

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There is no point in doing /muteall, just mute the ones that are flaming. There is no point trying to defend yourself, just play the game as best you can and mute those that try flaming.

Then report flamers and griefers after game.

There is. You /mute all and nobody gets to you to begin with. And you report nothing.

IanSilangDec 4, 20182 votes

Can people not complain it into all chat. It sounds so desperate.

Nik NikersonDec 4, 20182 votes

Don't threaten people with reports. They consider it harassment. Just report it after the game.

Also, I'm going to guess that you have a habit of getting into it with teammates pretty often, because this shouldn't be enough to get you chat restricted on its own. You may need to just stop arguing with teammates, even if you aren't starting it.

Silly NeekoDec 4, 20181 votes

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Don't threaten people with reports. They consider it harassment. Just report it after the game.

Also, I'm going to guess that you have a habit of getting into it with teammates pretty often, because this shouldn't be enough to get you chat restricted on its own. You may need to just stop arguing with teammates, even if you aren't starting it.

I simply say im muting then reporting after game. If they continue after that then i actually do so. I give them a chance to hush up, but after that its all on them.

SonicAFDec 4, 20181 votes

So we have report threats and, potentially, false flagging of parroted insults. This is the reason why IFS should highlight shit that resulted in a punshment.

This is a disgusting, unfair false-positive, striking a guy for a decent behaviour. This is why it is scary to chat at all.

Edit: also spotted the word "inting".

SixCrimsonShadeDec 4, 20181 votes

I wasn't inting, was having a bad game also yes I repeated what they said and am just considering the /mute all command tbh.

SonicAFDec 4, 20181 votes

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I wasn't inting, was having a bad game also yes I repeated what they said and am just considering the /mute all command tbh.

You said tge word "inting". Might've been caught by a bot.

SanKakUDec 4, 20181 votes

Let me get this straight, you went 1/11/1 as a jungler without boots and called your ally that went 6/4/4 an intentional feeder after he died? Your player level is 131, you may be relatively new given your relatively low mastery score level, but you've clearly played a lot in recent months. It looks like you were extremely toxic this game if not in others, so yes, you deserve a ban. I don't see any evidence that you were trying. Maybe someone got you angry in the champion selection lobby, but I don't see a Cho'Gath ban which seems to be your favorite champion and you don't have a problem buying boots on HIM...so it looks to me like you decided your team must lose from the beginning. And yet, your team still managed to win despite your horrible attitude. Next time you want to force your team to lose, try doing it in a group of 2-4. You'll get better success because there are a lot of horrible players that can't win 6 vs 4.

Even if you were getting ganked a ton as the jungler, which is honestly expected nowadays, and even if your team was trolling you by letting you die, things that you didn't state/claim were happening by the way...even if these things were happening, you didn't seem to be adapting to the situation.

SonicAFDec 4, 20183 votes

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Let me get this straight, you went 1/11/1 as a jungler without boots and called your ally that went 6/4/4 an intentional feeder after he died?<...>

Well, why not if he was 6/3 and internationally fed a kill? It's not about score.

SanKakUDec 4, 20181 votes

That's true, but it's clear from the context of his own words that he was just emulating how he was perceiving his allies' chat to be. Rek'Sai died 1 vs 1 therefore is intentionally feeding. That is what he understood to be the message they were sending him so he tried to do the same to them. Probably Nocturne 1 vs 1 Brand, killing him. Instead of letting his chat go down to their level, he could have been diplomatic.

I can't be sure Brand didn't intentionally feed Rek'Sai into the enemy team of course...but that wasn't the kind of thing brought into question by the jungler. In any case, ~~it looks like his team used what little space he created, but~~ he could have ~~created more if he~~ bought boots after his tier 3 jungle item as he usually does on Rek'Sai, or before it as he does on Cho'Gath. Instead he apparently was trolling by just buying damage items afterwards. Maybe he's not aware that Nocturne needs vision to use his ultimate, I don't know what his problem is. But he wasn't asking about Nocturne in the chat so his allies could help him. He was just responding badly to toxic allies.

If you respond badly to toxic players on your team, you become part of the problem. Toxic players are still part of your team, and it's everyone's responsibility to make them feel like they are a part of the team. The best way to deal with them IMHO is to mute them but continue chatting to them. That way they can receive feedback from you but you don't endanger your own mindset with their toxic attitude. The moment you stoop to their level is the moment everyone stops taking you seriously.

I feel like he was unfairly treated by his allies in the chat and he used that aggression from them to justify trying to lose the game for them. Convince me otherwise. Even if he hadn't done that, he still didn't use his time at the keyboard wisely.

I personally think it's ironic that he's worried about a chat ban ~~when he won~~ yet still only had a kill participation count of 2. Granted, sometimes the jungler doesn't need to participate that much, especially if his allies can get good benefits out of him taking objectives...oh snap. The only objectives they took were 2 towers. Not a single epic monster, no other buildings. There's something wrong with the match history screen. It shows both teams won, but that's impossible. Okay I take back that part about his team being able to win 4 vs 6. This guy was definitely losing on purpose, potentially because of a couple of deaths and BM from allies, since he actually has experience on Rek'Sai...winning experience for what it's worth.

SonicAFDec 4, 20182 votes

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That's true, but it's clear from the context of his own words that he was just emulating how he was perceiving his allies' chat to be. Rek'Sai died 1 vs 1 therefore is intentionally feeding. That is what he understood to be the message they were sending him so he tried to do the same to them. Probably Nocturne 1 vs 1 Brand, killing him. Instead of letting his chat go down to their level, he could have been diplomatic.

Awesome. We are done referencing score when deciding whether someone fed intentionally.

I can't be sure Brand didn't intentionally feed Rek'Sai into the enemy team of course...but that wasn't the kind of thing brought into question by the jungler. In any case, it looks like his team used what little space he created, but he could have created more if he bought boots after his tier 3 jungle item as he usually does on Rek'Sai, or before it as he does on Cho'Gath. Instead he apparently was trolling by just buying damage items afterwards. Maybe he's not aware that Nocturne needs vision to use his ultimate, I don't know what his problem is. But he wasn't asking about Nocturne in the chat so his allies could help him. He was just responding badly to toxic allies.

If you respond badly to toxic players on your team, you become part of the problem. Toxic players are still part of your team, and it's everyone's responsibility to make them feel like they are a part of the team. The best way to deal with them IMHO is to mute them but continue chatting to them. That way they can receive feedback from you but you don't endanger your own mindset with their toxic attitude. The moment you stoop to their level is the moment everyone stops taking you seriously.

His responses do not even resemble aggression. He is desperate and he used multiple trigger words outside the usual context, which makes his punishment look even more fishy.

I feel like he was unfairly treated by his allies in the chat and he used that aggression from them to justify trying to lose the game for them. Convince me otherwise. Even if he hadn't done that, he still didn't use his time at the keyboard wisely.

Oh no, I won't, because it's irrelevant to the punishment we have here. When Riot catches an intentional feeder they ban the son of a bitch for two weeks. This particular case is a 10-games chat restriction.

SanKakUDec 4, 20181 votes

You may not like it, and I don't like it either, but Riot actually punishes inters with chat restrictions instead of escalating their bans. That's how the PS(punishment system) works.

They don't bother to look at facts when they can justify a smaller ban by glancing at a chat log. As far as they are concerned, a ban was issued, therefore they did their job.

SonicAFDec 4, 20181 votes

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You may not like it, and I don't like it either, but Riot actually punishes inters with chat restrictions instead of escalating their bans. That's how the PS(punishment system) works.

I do not like a lot, A LOT of things about the punishment system, but you seem to be slightly misinformed about it. Feeder-detector and chat-nazi are two different systems not sharing any tiers. There are only two tiers in feeder-detector, two week suspension and the permaban. They escalate separately from the chat-nazi.

They don't bother to look at facts when they can justify a smaller ban by glancing at a chat log. As far as they are concerned, a ban was issued, therefore they did their job.

They look at nothing, it's a botted ban. And it's, quite likely, a misfire triggering off keywords. Get 4 people like that in your team and your chat is gonna be silent as long as you are able to shut up yourself.

SixCrimsonShadeDec 5, 20181 votes

I didn't Intentionally Feed, I was Counter Jungled Hard, Look at the Nocturnes Score, He destroyed me, and no matter what I did I just couldn't keep up, Sometimes it's as simple as that. A bad game, I tried to help my team in team fights but I went down really quickly because I saw too far behind. That's all. Idk how to adapt to my jungle camps being gone every time I re spawn.