RIOT PLEASE READ

Jack Hammered··8 votes·2,150 views

WARNING: This is a list of things I dislike about the game. You can tell me how I feel it is less fun is wrong. I mean, you are telling me how I feel about the game, but sure. Carry on everyone telling me my feelings are wrong! Anyone actually read? Or just go, well I like the game so he must be wrong!

**The Bad:

  1. Too many items having active.
  2. Too many champions having passive, active or dual use abilities.
  3. The game is very one sided, whoever is winning at the 5-10 minute mark, (~95% of the time) has won the game.
  4. NO PAYING FOR MASTERY EVER!
  5. Sightstone is useless (Waste of gold, inventory slot, and trinkets are far superior)
  6. Constant new champions when a lot of other champions are unplayable.
  7. Adaptability, should be moving towards porting to android and iPhone.
  8. There is no 3 v 3, just a weird 3 v 3 ARAM mix (Health, alters, turrets...).
  9. Everybody loves URF, so why stop people playing it?
  10. Why make it harder to block toxic, rude, unsupportive, AFK, etc. players?
  11. Apparant leniency towards toxic, AFK, unsupportive players. Scared to ban your income? Not scared of those players alienating the player base? (Recent year or so has actually shown an improvement)
  12. The reward system for IP is not good enough. Also, what is orange dust if we already have IP? 13a) One to one relationship on Username and Summonername. Did someon forget to introduce the one to many relationship? Was it too hard? Or was getting people to pay for things they've already bought too good a money maker? 13b) Then why not remove usernames? Why not have the username as the summoner name? What is the difference?
  13. Most of champions played are assasins. I am tired of everyone being able to one hit me, or one combo me, ESPECIALLY, when they are underfed, underpowered and underlevelled.

The Good:

  1. Pings, great addition to the game.
  2. Reliability has significantly improved.
  3. Able to 'earn' skins is fabulous. Sadly you punish older players.
  4. Mastery, everyone likes to master a champion. Sadly you punish older players.
  5. Shop looks better. Sadly, it still crashes if you want to reload it.
  6. Game loads faster and runs smoother.

All my original friends left the game many years ago. This game is great for people with more money than sense, or for professional players. For everyone else who wants to have FUN with a GAME, too bad. No fun to be found on LoL anymore other than taunting the enemy that you can instantly one shot them from base. I never found taunting, being rude or mean fun...

Sure less people flaming, but still the same going AFK all the time or refusing to teamwork.

In a long seven years, you've managed to kind of fix one or two problems, but also make it very un-fun to play.

The worst part is, every year I have said similar. The game is getting LESS AND LESS FUN, yet you listen more and more to the people with the money and the people who play the game as a job.

I know I have not been heard by Riot, now or over the last few years. I know Riot will not change because of what I say (Mostly because they won't even read it, even if they do I doubt they would care) I know Riot are concerned with what they want, what their pro's want, and what the people with the money want. Me and you? Not so much (If at all)...**

99 Comments

Jack Hammered6 votes

I have eight accounts, across four servers. I have played on my main over 6k games. I used to find this game fin, I don't any more for the reasons listed above.

Kingbee142 votes

You don't find it fun because you can't play on mobile? a PC GAME? Are you expecting Overwatch on your phone next?

Shenphite4 votes

There is more than just one reason listed above. Try not picking out one example and using it to extrapolate your argument. Either that or learn comprehension skills.

Jack Hammered3 votes

IKR: "I disagree with one argument, therefore all your arguments are invalid"

Bob the Toastr1 votes

He was just asking a question. Does he have to ask about or mention every single thing the OP said to be allowed to comment?

Jack Hammered3 votes

No he doesn't have to respond to every question, but you cannot summarise varying points and say it was this one far fetched idea that is why you don't like the game! Ha ha, what an idiot. (Which is my inference of his comment)

Because he summarised by saying:

You don't find it fun because you can't play on mobile? a PC GAME? Are you expecting Overwatch on your phone next?

No, that is not my entire argument and just one addition they could look into.

Auky1 votes

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He was just asking a question. Does he have to ask about or mention every single thing the OP said to be allowed to comment?

Multiple stupid statements make your words fall on deaf ears.

Jack Hammered1 votes

Yes him summing up all my arguments into one point makes me look stupid...

Jack Hammered4 votes

You do realise that phones are now DX11 compliant? Meaning, yes, I could play Overwatch on my phone (If I could run Windows). You don't seem to understand how fast technology is advancing.

Computing power doubles every eighteen months. That means roughly the power of the computers now are around 64 - 384 times as powerful as when League of Legends was released.

Now, people are mainly working on ARM and RISC processors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture)

Which work entirely differently, these processors and SICs are the ones in your phone, car, everything. Even laptops, playstations, Xboxes are being produced with ARM and RISC processing. So, is it going to be easier to make a game designed for the majority or the minority? Considering most high end games are already designed with ARM and RISC processing... Most of the games you play on PC have to be ported to PC for this exact reason. Most major companies gave up on making games for the PC then porting to others a long, long, long time ago. As it is easier to make the games and then port them to PC, as there are more ARM + RISC (Xbox, PS, Android, iPhone) vs. traditional CPU (JUST PC PLAYERS). Logics much?

Jinzo Torrance4 votes

Items having actives and/or passives makes them less stat-stick.

Martensitic3 votes

A bunch of opinions with no arguments provided, no facts provided, no statements other than "I don't like this so you shouldn't too!"

Nothing to see here.

Downvoted.

Jack Hammered7 votes

LMFAO, I always provided responses and reasons. This is the first time I haven't and this is the first time I have ever gotten attention. I merely just listed all my points from a post two hours ago... So, should I make arguments and get ignored, or a list and get ignored? How should I voice my opinion? Oh right, you don't think I desetrve one because it differes from yours. Where as, I am commenting on what I don't like. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean 'Downvote and leave'. That makes you a %%%%.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/862gFFI2-fun-and-balance - There, reasons. They might be a bit ranty, but fuck it. I gave my advice many times over many years, to no avial, and the game just gets more and more boring...

I don't give a fuck what you like, it's not for you. It's for RIOT. Me, and every player I have played with (For longer than two years) has left the game due to changes. Sure you might like them, but I know myself and a lot of other people have left over them.

Martensitic1 votes

Oh right, you don't think I desetrve one because it differes from yours.

You are entitled to an opinion as much as everyone.

But you are not entitled to people taking your opinion seriously, if you present it without convincing arguments.

I don't give a fuck what you like, it's not for you. It's for RIOT.

Riot is a company. Companies do things for money, and they tend to not base decisions on emotions. They base decisions on arguments. How do you suppose a bunch of opinions without arguments will convince a company?

Sure you might like them, but I know myself and a lot of other people have left over them.

How many people would that be? Not a lot, it would seem. Because not only is League still the most played video game in the world, for several years running, its playerbase is also STILL GROWING.

So yeah, I like the features. And so do more than 100 Million people. So no one cares if a couple thousand angry guys leave.

Jack Hammered7 votes

You're right. Why care about people that have already spent money in the game when there are new players all the time! Why should anyone care about anything other than money? Iunno, like fun? Enjoyment? Excitement? Nah... You're right money is the only thing that matters.

The only opinion Riot cares about is the 0.0001% who don't play the game for fun.

I am glad you like the game, it's just not 'League of Legends' anymore. Yeah it's similar, got all the champions in, looks the same, just all the fun has been sucked out of it.

They don't base decisions on arguments, they do whatever the fuck they want. They base their decisions on their own feelings and the opinions of the players who do not play the game for fun. Also, as stated before: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/862gFFI2-fun-and-balance - The arguements.

Martensitic1 votes

You're right. Why care about people that have already spent money in the game when there are new players all the time

Its not just new players. League has an amazingly low gamer turnover. For every angry QQ guy who left, because stuff didn't go the way they wanted to, millions more stayed and played this game, and continue to do so to this day.

I have been here for 5 seasons now, longer than most complainees even knew the game existed.

Still enjoying myself.

Why should anyone care about anything other than money? Iunno, like fun? Enjoyment? Excitement? Nah... You're right money is the only thing that matters.

Newsflash: The game makes money and is enjoyable to us who play it. Because the two are not mutually exclusive *gasp!!*

The only opinion Riot cares about is the 0.0001% who don't play the game for fun.

You are either a telepath with Charles Xavier like powers, or you just pulled that number out from the big pile of nothingness that is the rest of your "arguments". Because there is no way how you could make any valid statement about how much 100 Million people enjoy the game or not.

They don't base decisions on arguments, they do whatever the fuck they want.

"IT DIDN'T GO LIEK I WANTEED SO IT IS BAAAD". Yawn. They did what they felt was what the vast majority enjoyed. And as it turns out, they were right.


Maybe, just maybe, you should stop for a moment, and accept the following facts:

  • Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean others cannot enjoy it.

  • Your assumption isn't automatically the correct one. Especially when it concerns matters of personal preference, like how enjoyable a certain video game is.

  • Just because you know some people who share your point of view, doesn't mean that the majority does.

Jack Hammered6 votes

Okay, you want me to take you seriously? I don't see any legitimate questions. You said to down vote and ignore because I have not provided a rational. That's not a question. Plus I did provide rational (Hence the link to the other post).

Money, money, money! Yes, it's all about money. Having enough money to support the game and keep it going is important. So, initially they took a loan of $7,000,000. Now their estimated annual turnover, revenue for 2015 is $1,600,000,000. Now I cannot contemplate how many people work for Riot, their salaries and the server costs. I highly doubt it comes close to $1.6 billion per year though. So is it a question of money? No, they easily have enough. All their tactics are about getting new players to spend new money, not on the players that have already spent money.

Now you say for every player that leaves, there are hundreds that stay. Well, provide evidence. Sure all I have is anecdotal evidence of having 2/~2000 players stay. I don't know the stats, so I won't argue hypotheticals.

You've been playing for five years, you don't seem to play much. Is that how thrilling you find this game you'd rather spend more time on the boards than in the game? Says a lot... Especially for someone who is defending how fun and exciting the game is.

Well, I am not psychic no. I do not actually know how Riot feels, I can only extrapolate from their actions. Constantly asking the professionals and 'good' or high ranking players how to change the game, and ignoring my suggestions. Seems to me they have their priorities on the players who do not play the game for fun and only play as a profession. So the game is getting more complex, and more about burst because that's what those players wanted. They want to make it more challenging, which may be fun for them, not everyone wants to be 'try-harding' 24/7.

"Newsflash: The game makes money and is enjoyable to us who play it. Because the two are not mutually exclusive gasp!!"

What? Yes it makes money, yes it is enjoyable for some players. No they are not mutually exclusive, I never implied or stated they weren't. Anything else that is obvious you need to get off your chest? Birds fly? Fish swim? The sky is blue? Redundancy is key...

"IT DIDN'T GO LIEK I WANTEED SO IT IS BAAAD". Yawn. They did what they felt was what the vast majority enjoyed. And as it turns out, they were right.

You act as though I am an impetuous child who is upset. I am making a valid point that for me, and a lot of other players like me, the game is getting more and more BORING. Trying to condescend and dismiss my argument because you enjoy the game and I don't, it's a good way to get a discussion going.

Also 1) You are stating things as fact which are your opinion or subjective. I am sure you have no idea how many new players, to smurfs, to leavers there are. 2) Extrapolating things I have not implied or stated will not help with your argument.

Yes, other people can enjoy the game. I haven't come to discuss that? My argument is that it is not the same game I started playing seven / eight years ago.

Yes, again, how I feel about the game is just that, how I feel about the game. You say they are things I need to understand, when you don't seem to have understood what you have typed yourself? Otherwise you wouldn't retort with redundancy.

Yes, again, I do realise my feelings about the game and my friends feelings about the game are not the majorities feelings about the game. That is kind of the point, the people who play the game now are the people who enjoy it, yes? Makes sense right, and the people who don't have left? So of course if I post how I don't like the game the majority are going to argue. As I am telling that to the people who are still playing (Therefore telling the people who enjoy it, that I don't enjoy it). That is why this post is not for you. It is for anyone that has been playing since beta / S1 and THEIR thoughts on how the game has 'progressed'.

Here's an example: Like a capitalist talking to a bunch of communists. Yes, their opinions and yes the only opinions I am going to receive are the negative ones. As any support I may have gotten is not present. So your argument that just because this room is full of communists, therefore everyone must be a communist is, well, retarded.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Why should we care if you don't enjoy it? Quit crying and go find something you enjoy.

Jack Hammered2 votes
  1. That's why I am posting to RIOT not to MRHAZEYO.

  2. I am, I find this more fun than Playing League now-a-days.

  3. Mobile Legends is much more fun. Shame I choose the wrong game. As now I feel invested in League of Legends.

Martensitic2 votes

Okay, you want me to take you seriously?

You misunderstand. I couldn't care less if you take me seriously.

You are the one who wants people to listen to what you write. You even say so in your thread title. You are the one complaining.

You are the one who wants to be taken seriously.

Now you say for every player that leaves, there are hundreds that stay. Well, provide evidence.

I already did. The player numbers speak for themselves. There has never been a game that could sustain high numbers of players with substantial player turnover. Since this game hasn't just accumulated a lot, but THE MOST players of any video game ever made, its a statistically sound assumption (yes, you may now try to say "AHA! ME RIGHT! CUZ HE SAY ITS ASSUMPTION!", I hope you realize how absurd that would be.) to say that there is not a substantial turnover at play here.

I am making a valid point that for me, and a lot of other players like me, the game is getting more and more BORING.

Yet the arguments presented will not convince anyone, that the number of players who share your opinion is relevant. Again: A few thousand people may seem like a lot to you.

But compared to over a hundred million, its laughably few.

In order to convince people that your complaints have merit, you must do one of two things:

  • Either you convince riot that those who agree with you are a majority (which you can't because they are not, the player numbers are a clear indicator of that)

  • Or you convince riot that the changes to the game you propose will not only satisfy those few who agree with you, but at the same time, not alienate the vast majority. (That you could actually try, but so far, you haven't proposed any changes)

Have a nice day. And again, I don't care if you take me seriously or not.

Agravain2 votes

I could go one-by-one down the list and provide a counter argument to every single of these points. Actually, some of these don't even need a counter argument. What's wrong with having a dual ability? Are you unable to wield 5 different skills effectively and your brain is limited to using 4?...(stupidest artgument I found.)

Jack Hammered7 votes

Nothing is wrong with it. I don't like so many actives (To be pressing 17 buttons in the right order, at the right time, in a window of around .2-2 seconds. I don't care what you like or not. It's not the game I liked seven years ago. Having to worry about mashing the keyboard, rather than having fun. Ruins MY not necassarily YOUR enjoyment of the game.

I know exaclty ZERO players, around S2, that have started the game and not left. For some reason all the older players of the game, seem to dislike the changes and leave. Sure if you want a game with a million buttons presses, that's fine. It's not what League of Legends was, and it's not fun for ME.

Auky1 votes

Scrolling through this post I realized that the majority of the post written by anybody not complimenting you have been downvoted multiple times. Starting to seem suspicious...

Jack Hammered2 votes

Yeah, suspicious eh?

Shenphite5 votes

Go on then, answer how subjectively things can be more or less fun for someone else.

MrHaZeYo2 votes
  1. Too many items having active.

How is this bad? Having extra abilities is awesome and great for situational things.

  1. Too many champions having passive, active or dual use abilities.

Not a bad thing, Champs are balanced around those. Just means you have to have a greater understanding of those champs and the games in which they appear.

  1. The game is very one sided, whoever is winning at the 5-10 minute mark, (~95% of the time) has won the game.

I've come back from plenty of games that we should of lost, and lost games we should of won. Just because you give up doesn't mean it was over.

  1. NO PAYING FOR MASTERY EVER!

What does this even mean? 6/7? You don't need to pay a dime and it gives us older players a IP sink.

  1. Sightstone is useless (Waste of gold, inventory slot, and trinkets are far superior

SIghtstone is one of the most cost efficient items in the game. As far as Item slot, it gives a good amount of support stats that fall into line with other Support Items. Also It's vision lasts longer then the Yellow Trinket at all points of the game. If your a support without it and using Yellow Trinket your not using a Red Trinket to remove wards.

  1. Constant new champions when a lot of other champions are unplayable.

Very Few champs are unplayable, and old champs have been getting remade for awhile, Poppy, Galio, Fiora as examples.

  1. Adaptability, should be moving towards porting to android and iPhone.

That'd be cool but it wouldn't be even close to the experience you got on a PC, I think they should port it to the Xbox/PS like Smite did before Phones and Tablets. PC will always be the best gaming Device (Although I like consoles better).

  1. There is no 3 v 3, just a weird 3 v 3 ARAM mix (Health, alters, turrets...).

Do you know what Aram stands for? All Random All Mid. In TT you are neither all random or all mid as there is no mid. Two lanes, the map has a different play style.

  1. Everybody loves URF, so why stop people playing it?

Everybody doesn't love URF, they changed it because people complained people would always pick just the OPs. Having any RGM mode full time would hurt Que times and make the game itself stale. I got bored of URF back when it was 1st released. Others would eventually stop playing it and it'd be a almost dead mode like ASC. When its in RGM it gets the sense of fun because you can't always play it and it won't be around for long.

  1. Why make it harder to block toxic, rude, unsupportive, AFK, etc. players?

I have that it is harder to do that. So I'll give you that one.

  1. Apparant leniency towards toxic, AFK, unsupportive players. Scared to ban your income?

Ya they aren't lenient at all lol, people get banned everyday for that shit.

Not scared of those players alienating the player base? (Recent year or so has actually shown an improvement)

Give me more examples of this.

  1. The reward system for IP is not good enough. Also, what is orange dust if we already have IP?

Really cause I own every champ, useful rune(~150k spent), page, and am currently sitting on 40k IP waiting for Chromas (Spend around 35k last time I could use it on Chromas)

I do think they should make it faster or perhaps the less champs you own the bigger the multiplier and it slowly goes down the less champs/runes/pages you got left.

13a) One to one relationship on Username and Summonername. Did someon forget to introduce the one to many relationship? Was it too hard? Or was getting people to pay for things they've already bought too good a money maker?

Seriously? Your gonna argue this? A lot of old games have this lol, and it also helps you not get hacked because your Username is different then your Sum Name.

13b) Then why not remove usernames? Why not have the username as the summoner name? What is the difference?

I think I answered that.

  1. Most of champions played are assasins. I am tired of everyone being able to one hit me, or one combo me, ESPECIALLY, when they are underfed, underpowered and underlevelled.

Maybe you just personally struggle against them, I generally could care less about assassins, I can handle them in lane, they are assassins for a reason, they'd be useless if they couldn't assassinate someone.

That was fun, you got any other complaints?

Jack Hammered4 votes

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MrHaZeYo1 votes

1- This has changed. Not many items had actives, now a lot do. Which means it makes the game more complex, more frustrating, and less fun. From worrying about 7-8 buttons presses, to 17-20.

What's wrong with the game being more complex? I think it's a good thing, I didn't know we all played League cause it was easy. Different items fit into different situations. Having more actives may mean more to think about but it adds more to the micro of team fights as well.

2- Again makes it more complex with many more button presses. See point number 1)

I don't see how this is that hard, outside of supports most champions only build 1 or 2 active items. This really has never changed. Even back then you generally only bout 1 or 2, and Supports would build 3-4 (Season 4 onward)

3-They have specifically made it harder to turtle and play defensively. Not to mention things such as stacking dragons, which makes a comeback harder. Yes you are right, it's not impossible, and you still can. Just no way near as often as you could. You don't understand the concept of it getting more one sided. I have never said it is completely or 100% one sided. Just a lot more so than previous. See S2 changes to 3 v 3 and 5 v 5, as well as S6 5 v 5 patch notes. (N.B/ Cannot find patch notes as they are older than four years). As I cannot find the specific patch notes, turrets aren't as powerful and they completely reworked the 3v3 map so you can no longer defend nexus from fountain. There are a miriad of other minor changes making it harder to turtle such as the stacking dragon, etc.

No I agree they have made it harder, but being harder and impossible are indeed to different things.

4- It means what it says, I have played more games than you ever will and I am missing around 630,000 IP of champions. I do not want to choose between owning a new champ, or increasing my 'mastery' ability. Which is the trade off it forces upon you, unless you have all the champions. So, to me, it's not 'mastery'.

I have over 4k total games played on this account. I doubt you've played "way" more then I have. I boughten maybe 10 champs and all of them but Ahri was on sale.

I guess it makes you truly choose what Mastery you'd like to show then huh? You should own dam near every champ that you personally would want. If you choose to continue to catch them all (Pokemon) then why do you care what your mastry score is? Why is this important to you? I rarely see people complain about this, most people I know think its cool you have a IP sink now.

5-SIghtstone is one of the most cost efficient items in the game

Until trinkets... (800G) +150 HP Sells for: 320G (1600G)

  • 500 HP UNIQUE: Item Active cooldowns are reduced by 20%. Sells for: 640G

I could buy anything else, still have two trinkets and be in a much, much better position. Sure, there are a few games it will make a substantial difference. It's just I've never bought one since they brought out trinkets. Because it's bad value for money. Command wards, plus trinkets, plus proper items (1600, you're talking almost about Redemption, or Aegis money). Now I feel redemption, or Aegis are a lot better than a sight stone, sure you might feel different, though you're probably the one that complains when the support doesn't buy one. Then why didn't you buy one if it is the best value of any item in the game?

WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL this is the one I want to get into because it is meta and has been for some time.

800 Gold for 150 HP is 50% gold efficient. So 400 Gold. Now we need to take the 150 second wards into account. Valued at 75G per Ward, after you put down your 5th Ward Sight stone becomes 100% Efficient, but that's not all, every Ward you lay down it becomes more efficient then it just was.

It's upgrades that combine with the 3 support items that you most generally buy come out to this. item 2303 -71.01% (Not Including Wards placed)item 2302 -92.11% Efficient. (Not Including Wards.), item 2301 -83.81% (Not Including Wards). Those are pretty efficient for the Support role. Those Items give you decent stats for the money, and continue to make you a bit of money and gives you Wards.

You've said you played this game a lot so I shouldn't have to tell you how important vision is. The Yellow Trinket has a 180-120 Second CD (Scales on level) to place 60-120 seconds (Scales on Level). You can have up to two charges. So even at level 18, you put a ward down, it expires when the charge comes back up.

You've said you played this game a lot so I shouldn't have to tell you how important vision is. The Upgraded Red Trinket gives you the ability to remove said wards. If your the support operating only on Trinket Wards, they can take them out (plus more if nearby) every time you cast one.

Back to why SS is really a good item for Supports. Supports by nature make the least amount of money, you need to get a gold income item to kinda keep up. The bright news, your core items are abet weaker, also less expensive. If you truly want the extra item slot just combine the SS and Gold item, for decent stats, and Wards. Get a Red Trinket (which itself is gold efficient because you get to remove some of theirs off the map).

Think later on in the game, your gonna carry 3 Pinks (what happens when your full up?) and put one down, walk a bit further, put one down, walk a bit further put one down. That wasted you 225G, when that Upgraded Red Trinket could of down that and more.

Also, item 2045 's Activated Item costs are 20% less, shouldn't be taken for granted either, but you don't like activated Items so I'll move on.

6- They release new champions a lot more often than other get reworked, and even after rework: How effective are they? Let's take Sion, reworked and now he is never played. It's not so much about them being under-powered it's more that they are no match for Champs such as Yasou, Zed, LB, Akali, etc.

Sion got a good amount of play after he was reworked. More then he did before he was, WW, Fiora, and Poppy seem to be doing OK. Your right though they do release more new before reworking the old, but that isn't a huge think, the game has to keep progressing. At least they are attempting to fix the old.

Still 6 - SUBJECTIVE (It means my opinion): Every time I play ranked, it's just a mix of around 20-30 champions. If they were balanced, I would see more variation. For example I do not feel I can play Galio, Sejuani, Skarner, Sion, Braum (to some extend, very situational), Dr. Mundo, Ivern, Aurion Sol, Malphite (again, situational). Not because they aren't fun, because I feel underpowered playing them (The majority of the time, it is neeless to say you can play any champion, but you statics will vary widely, and still win. Just the probability of doing so with certain champions is much less.)

Ivern just got nerfed from play, Galio is getting a huge rework, we talked about Sion who is in a pretty good shape. Sej is getting looked at this mid season, Mundo ok, I don't think he's awful but he may not be in the best place. Sol is still new and isn't a awful team oriented Champ. Braum is just currently being out shined by mage supports, the Meta will change.

7-There are many clones of League of Legends, such as Mobile Legends. Which IMHO is much better than League (It's basically the old League ported to Android / iPhone, with all the good updates and none (or few) of the bad list I posted above. So yes, it matches the experience.

b) ARM and RISC processing is the future, it from everything to your car, your phone, Xbox to Playstation. So yes, desktop CPUs are still 'the best' but the majority is all about ARM and RISC. So, not for long.

I never said there wasn't any clones of league, but they are just that a clone. League shouldn't move League to the phone, perhaps make a League like game for phones? Sure that would be a good idea.

I doubt PCing will ever not be a thing, ARM and Risc are exciting but can League even run on those things? New things don't necessarily mean death to the old things. - I'll give you this though as I personally don't have enough information to talk about this.

8- That's why it is a mix, it's no longer a small 5 v 5 map. It is a weird hybrid. Do you know the original 3 v 3 or 5 v 5?

I'm confused, How did TT change as a map? I rarely play it so honestly I couldn't care less, so I'll give that to you.

9-Yes, just like ARAM ruined the game? People used to make 5 v 5 games and call them 'ARAM' because there was no ARAM. It is the same principle here, people wanted ARAM so badly, they introduced it. People love URF a lot, so what is wrong with a custom game mode? Has ARAM made the game stale? Has ARAM ruined queue times? Is ARAM not fun? Your argument is redundant as you don't seem to even know that ARAM wasn't a game mode before. Just like URF isn't a game mode now.

Which also makes me wonder, why are you arguing about something that has nothing to do with you? Have you been playing a long time? No, so you have no say here anyway. I am saying how the game is less and less fun since it was introduced, and you didn't even play it! So how can you tell me that it is more fun now than it was when you don't know how it was before? I mean, you must be a real idiot if this is the case, or a real idiot about your above retort. Either one is wrong or the other is, either way it does make you look like a retard. Especially the way you don't seem to understand they are points I dislike about the game, now my feelings about the game are true.

The idea though is that adding more ques would indeed effect everyone, myself, yourself included. Aram itself does get stale after you binge play it. I personally have 1k Aram games, I play it when I need a break but it does get stale. More Que times make all Ques suffer. We already have 5 (6 with RGM), do we really need more to infect our times?

I've played since Season 3, the beginning. I may not of been here since release but I've played for four years. Thats long enough to generate a few opinions. You talk about me being a "retard" but you yourself just looked foolish.

A Grumpy Bunny2 votes

Dood, did you completely miss the point about the game not having ARAM before? You think the game is now ruined because of ARAM? All your arguments are such shite mate.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

I don't think the game is ruined because of Aram, where do you get that?. Obviously learn to read,

URF would grow way more stale then it is if it was around ALL THE TIME.

Wolftastic331 votes

And how would you play on a phone or tablet?

I mean, lets start very basic: How would the game know if your tap is a left click or a right click? How would you have buttons for abilities, items, pings, recall etc, without having them take up a giant part of the screen? How fair would it be to have people on phones/tablets play against people on a pc? How big would the support for this be, to be able to afford having people work on a version like this? How well would the machines handle League?

Jack Hammered6 votes

See Mobile Legends.

If league didn't change it would be fairly easy to port as ML.

But sure, if Riot want to limit to just PC which are going the way of the dinosaur, by all means.

Wolftastic338 votes

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See Mobile Legends.

If league didn't change it would be fairly easy to port as ML.

But sure, if Riot want to limit to just PC which are going the way of the dinosaur, by all means.

Would you mind answering all of the questions I asked directly? Mobile legends isn't League of Legends.

Jack Hammered7 votes

I am not a developer but I would start with:

As to left and right click, one click for right click, click and hold for movement. (Right joystick)

As for abilities, you have them Q,W,E,R and any actives the other side of the screen. (Left abilities UI)

Pings would be separate part of the UI. Similar to how it is implemented currently.

It would make little difference whether you are on PC or mobile, as all control and actions are the same. Different inputs but same game. The input method would not be a hindrance (IMHO).

The support / design / development / integration could range widely depending on how well they would want to integrate it with their current server / PvP.net back end. As porting the code itself could be done very easily and quickly, however it would most likely be very buggy. They could go all out and re-write their entire game for Android or iPhone. Though as I say I do not know the specifics of their current design / implementation. As for costs, the benefits of a new player base that is rapidly expanding would more than pay for any said costs multiple times over.

That is why games such as Mobile Legends are so popular. Riot didn't want to port their game, so other people made clones. Which by the way are very similar to the original League of Legends but with all the positives they have introduced and none, well few (It's not perfect but damn close), of the negatives.

The machines handle League? You mean computers that are now more powerful than they have ever been? Easily is the answer to that one. Very easily. For example I bought a gaming laptop with 12 cores last year, very good, very powerful (Refurbished return cost $400). I bought a new phone which is just as powerful and a much better OS (Android Vs. Windows) which cost me $100. That is just in a year. Now everybody is working towards small powerful computers (Phones, Phablets, etc.). It will only get easier and easier. Can even multitask playing Mobile Legends quite happily.

A Grumpy Kitty4 votes

i just downloaded it due to this post. IT IS league of legends. a rip off, of course, but play it.

Auky1 votes

Pc is the only way to play league effectively. If you were to play on a mobile device, then game quality would be low. Even though league seems simple, it most definitely is not. It is a game of skill, not a trivial game to pass the time. It is clear in your statements that you are not an average player and that you can't seem to understand some easier aspects of the game. If you think that one of the most popular games ever is played by those who have "more money than sense", then you are even sadder than I previously thought. Pc is the future of gaming and their is no reason to put it on another platform.

Jack Hammered2 votes

There are many clones that manage it.

The clones have great game play.

Erm, it is a game. No matter whether you take it seriously or not. It definitely started out as a silly, trivial game.

No, I am in the top percentile for number of games played. That is only on my main, not my other 7 accounts. Riot has even sent me a gift, delivered to my door, as a result.

I understand the game in great detail.

I never said it is played by people more money than sense. Try context next time. I said it is great for players with more money than sense. Which although subjective, I am sure you will agree there is a big benefit to buying your champs.

No, PCs certainly are not "the future" unless this is an entirely new meaning of the word future to which I was previously unaware. Do you know about the engineering of CPUs and designs of such? I do, I know that ARM and RISC has far more research and interest.

It is funny how you seem to not know what League was like (so why argue about something you never played). You take all context from my statement to make it absurd. You also have no idea about the details of CPU architecture. So, you argue about things you clearly know little, to nothing about because...? This makes you look rather stupid.

Yes a long time ago before ARM and RISC. Desktop CPUs were the best, they still are. Just not for long.

EDIT: Just to clarify why desktop computers are dying, is because it costs a lot more to develop complex CPUs. Their uses are limited. They can only be used in desktop / server type design. Unlike the ARM + RISC SIC, which is just a really small basic computer. Which is incredibly cheap, incredibly versatile, and used in everything from cars, to fridges, to phones. Anything that has computing power and is not a server or desktop, that's ARM and RISC. So, if the majority are designing and developing better ARM and RISC processors; and the development of said processors and SIC is faster. For example - even the latest AMD chips have schematics that are about seven-ten years old. Compared to the latest ARM and RISC processors which are being replaced, almost, daily. Not yearly.

So sure, PC is always the way! Except for everyone else who doesn't have a PC, because why get a PC when you can get something just as powerful at a fraction of the price that is also portable and has a battery? Why would ANYONE want cheap, powerful, portable technology and want to play games on them?

midnight oil247 votes

The unfortunate answer to your question: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS675US675&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=king+glory+game&*

Also Vainglory. But that's an original game with cool unique characters.

Master Vemira1 votes

11 is wrong, i can prove with evidence, that riot bans accounts that have spent more money, faster then ones who refuse to spend money. I can also prove that all the smurf sites, are run by riot on the side.

Jack Hammered4 votes

I think you misread 11) You can prove that they are too lenient? Subjective... Alo, all the smurf sites. This appears to have nothing to do with the problem.

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