Champion identities and Build paths

MrKatanaNinja·Jul 9, 2016·2 votes·699 views

Here's the main just of things.

I honestly think that champions should have a role they play on a team, and most champions do so. My problem lies when I get a in my ranked game who builds full AD and when 5 people, with an ADC, can't kill him. This is a problem

Why do i think this is annoying or out of place? League of legends is a competitive game with a casual base at heart. I am fine with people building full ad . That's not my problem. The problem lies when the champ has built in tank so he can go full AD and still be tanky. There needs to be a line of "this person is squishy and full damage" or "This person is full tank but deals no damage". I am fine with the mid ground, the if you will. deals tons of damage, but can't take a whole lot because he either does 1000 damage and dies after 2 seconds, or deals 10 damage and dies after 2 hours. that is a good balance. he is tanky naturally but in order to deal damage he has to build damage based items. Where lies is that "Bull****" stage. I rarely have fun playing against a , because he builds black cleaver and just doesn't care about anyone else and just nukes someone. That is (in my opinion) unhealthy. Bruisers are meant to deal tons of damage if they get to you. But has MOVEMENT SPEED ENHANCERS WOOOOO. So that's not a problem is it? if you cant tell, I'm annoyed. continuing on. Having flat damage reduction on a tank isn't a terrible idea. Whats a terrible idea is on the same champion, give them a decent AD scaling on both his E and Q. Woopty doo. Looks like we have some text book Bull**** right there. I'm not going to touch on his silence because in my opinion silence is the most annoying thing ever. specially on an AD when he jumps on your butt and does 1000 damage in 3 spins. yeah, I was tank naut with 2 armor items plus my shield and that still did 1000 damage. WTF. Noone likes that. and hey, when i tried to turn back, his w stopped most of my damage which on a normal adc was 800 total combo damage with ult. i did 350 i think. something like that, i didnt do the math. I was to salty at this point. Im still salty hours later.

my Point is (or TL;DR) What needs to happen is make an off build for a champion less viable. Because AD Is Bull****. thank you for your time. please, change garen. hes no fun to play as or against rn.

13 Comments

TehNACHOJul 9, 20164 votes

So I checked out the game in question and noticed something funny, Garen never actually took that much damage from your team.

Damage Taken: Garen - 16.1k Nami - 13.7k Sivir - 26.2k Leblanc - 16.0k Udyr - 29.0k Ezreal - 20.4k Braum - 30.6k Riven - 21.3k Nautilus - 31.3k Jinx - 18.2k

In fact, of the 10 players in the game, he took the third least amount of damage. Wow, what a megatank he is, having survived all of your team's focus fire ehh? What a magnificent tank he is that he can survive that much damage right?

You need to face that this Garen either outplayed the shit out of you or your team just really fucking sucked. He didn't even do that much damage to be entirely frank. He is not some overwhelming force that both deals stupid amounts of damage while also being tanky while building squishy, he was just some middle of the road Garen that you're yelling at because of your stupid biases against Garen.

Zero ShingetsuJul 9, 20162 votes

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In fact, of the 10 players in the game, he took the third least amount of damage. Wow, what a megatank he is, having survived all of your team's focus fire ehh? What a magnificent tank he is that he can survive that much damage right?

You need to face that this Garen either outplayed the shit out of you or your team just really fucking sucked. He didn't even do that much damage to be entirely frank. He is not some overwhelming force that both deals stupid amounts of damage while also being tanky while building squishy, he was just some middle of the road Garen that you're yelling at because of your stupid biases against Garen.

Even if that's true, I've seen Garens take the brunt of everyone's damage and still dish out enough to get quadras and not die. His experience in this game doesn't actually discredit his claim that Garen is unbalanced.

In general, though, champion identity and build path is nonexistent in this game. Heroes of the Storm has a great system for both in the form of adjustments made to the way the character's own skills behave as you level. In League, what you have is role identities. Apart from a few champs, pretty much the same three or four items are built on everyone who plays a given role. No matter what they've tried to change that, it still happens because people still go find the build guides and follow the leader, and certain items are still ideal for certain roles.

Unless a HotS-style system is implemented, I have a feeling champions will never reliably have individual identities, and the item building process will forever be limited in its execution.

ThecampingrusherJul 9, 20161 votes

Facts bro. Talk your shit!!!

ZT XperimentorJul 9, 20161 votes

On the flip side, several assassins can build full defensive items and still telefrag most champions with ease, and some still do.

yoshi2790Jul 9, 20161 votes

Yes, Olaf is the perfect example...

And besides, Tanks are balanced. If the ADC can't kill them it's either because Rammus or because you can't kite. Tanks are able to survive the damage, that's their thing.

And ofcourse they still deal damage, they have base damages too. But if you can kite there should be no problem.

Chaos689Jul 9, 20161 votes

And if you're NOT vayne?

yoshi2790Jul 9, 20161 votes

You can kite with any ADC. lmao.

Chaos689Jul 9, 20161 votes

And if you're IDK the TOPLANER HE'S FIGHTING?

yoshi2790Jul 9, 20161 votes

Teemo and Quinn own garen in lane, he'll be so much behind.

others like: Aatrox Darius Gnar (a pain in lane) Fiora Illaoi Jax Jayce Kennen (also a pain in lane to garen if played well) Malphite Maokai Nautilus Olaf Pantheon (owns in lane too) Rammus Rengar Rumble Ryze Shen Shyvana Sion TahmKench Trundle Udyr Volibear MonkeyKing XinZhao Yasuo

Are: more usefull in teamfights, outsustain him in 1vs1, provide more to the team or a mix of these.

I really don't see the problem.

NOTE: Akali Irelia Riven Renekton are leftout because Garen does indeed win from them if skill level is the same. Yes, they can outplay the Garen but the Garen will most likely win.

Chaos689Jul 9, 20161 votes

So now I have to play one or two specfic champions or be really good at a few others to play? And I see Rengar in there? Bro r u on something? I main rengar top and I have NEVER won a game against a garen...

yoshi2790Jul 9, 20161 votes

then your skill level isn't high enough.

Also, 2 champions?!

These are my viable picks versus Garen. (I excluded Akali Irelia Riven and Renekton as listed above)

Aatrox Alistar Amumu Anivia Annie Ashe AurelionSol Azir Bard Braum Caitlyn Cassiopeia Chogath Corki Darius DrMundo Draven Ekko Elise Ezreal Fiddlesticks Fiora Fizz Galio Gangplank Garen Gnar Gragas Graves Hecarim Heimerdinger Illaoi Janna JarvanIV Jax Jayce Jhin Jinx Kalista Karma Kayle Kennen Khazix Kindred KogMaw Leblanc LeeSin Leona Lissandra Lucian Lulu Lux Malphite Malzahar Maokai MasterYi MissFortune Morgana Nami Nasus Nautilus Nidalee Nocturne Olaf Orianna Pantheon Poppy Quinn Rammus RekSai Rengar Rumble Ryze Sejuani Shen Shyvana Singed Sion Sivir Skarner Sona Soraka Swain Syndra TahmKench Talon Taric Teemo Thresh Tristana Trundle TwistedFate Twitch Udyr Urgot Varus Vayne Velkoz Veigar Viktor Volibear Vladimir Warwick MonkeyKing XinZhao Yasuo Yorick Zac Zed Ziggs Zilean Zyra

114 champions are pretty viable versus Garen.

I don't see where you get 2 from?

Anything more?

Chaos689Jul 9, 20161 votes

Yeah... You have no idea do you? I'm a rengar top main. Rank 7. Huge amount of mastery. I don't have a "low skill level" on my champion. He is flat out coutnered. A silence with damage, damage reduction, that chasing and sticking power? No... YOU PICKED SONA AND SORAKA AS VIABLE AGAINST GAREN? WHAT? Talon? NO AD ASSASSIN IS VIABLE AGAINST A CHAMPION WHO REGULARLY STACKS ARMOR! Nidalee? DO you have any idea what you're saying? YASUO? GAREN IS ONE OF HIS BIGGEST COUNTERS! Bro just stop...

yoshi2790Jul 9, 20161 votes

Rengar vs Garen match is won by Garen if Rengare doesn't play under turret.

If Rengar can farm and won't die, calls Jungle ganks, snowball by roaming, etc.. He can kill the enemy ADC and turn any teamfight into a 4v5.

Maybe you should play safe as Rengar, it would help.

Sona , she heals the damage of Garen on the ADC and helps the ADC with kiting. So she's viable, since it's easier for the ADC to kill Garen now. Same for Soraka .

Now Talon .

First I doubted to put him in this list but I did it anyways. Because if he plays like how Rengar should play he'd kill the enemy ADC and make the teamfight a 4v5.

League isn't about being able to 1v1 Garen. It's about defeating him as a team. Yes, most champions can 1v1 him, but others help the team 5v5 him.

And as I said, Yasuo can juke him in lane so Yasuo won't die. Yasuo also brings with his WOMBO COMBO potential way more to a team.