Idea for Ryze

Stonemason2121·Dec 3, 2019·1 votes·1,252 views

So to start this off, i'll admit, i don't play Ryze. but i have been around League sense 2011 and i kinda miss the old Ryze. Not his ability, but the feeling that he is a real mana monster.

Let me know what y'all think and if you have any ideas as well.

In the game today, Ryze is kinda broken. Once he build just a couple of items like CATALYST OF AEONS, and has ARCHANGEL'S STAFF, he begins to snowball. With some of the best clearing potential in the game, the ability lock down a target and have stupid amounts of DPS, huge ability to gank with his ultimate as well as escape. He is practically a must have or a must ban. He doesn't take a lot of skill anymore. with 40% cdr its almost like is E ability is evelynn q with no penalty cool down for using it on enemy minions. And you dont even need to stack items that have mana. building full AP with no mana is viable.

I miss the mana monster he was meant to be.

That said, just for play testing at least, I would like to see something like this:

His passive gets rid of AP giving him mana, but adds to the damage that the amount of mana he has give to his spells.
His abilities cool downs are increased by about 40% (some more some less) doubling the cool down for his W but adding the effect that you can reduce its cool down each time an enemy is marked with flux
In his stats for each ability, they scale less off AP and more off mana (about a 20%-40% reduction to ap and a 100- 150% increase in damage form mana).
Have his abilities use a % of his mana rather then a set amount. it can scale up as the abilities get more points.
Add this to his passive- Ryze's abilities cause more damage the more mana he has. Subsequently, as he uses mana, his spells loose power. Ryze's abilities begin to loose effective ness when he is below 70% mana, to a maximum of 30%, losing 1% of there damage per % lost after 70% to a maximum of minus 40%

What this does. It makes him a mana monster again. Hard hitting and scaling off the mana items you build. By making his spells use a % of his mana, he uses more late game and less early game. His heals from UNIQUE Passive: Eternity are increased late game and the increased cool downs to spells makes it so he wount be healing 10% of his hp once every 1.5 seconds or less, with 40% cdr. He is power full in a fight but looses some of that power as the fight drags on.

Honestly we may see the rebirth of tank Ryze.

These are just ideas. I know people all have Ideas what they may like to see. and i know they probably have something in mind and he has been a bit over reworked, (still waiting on WuKong personally) but they need to decide in my opinion, what he is. I'd find him more interesting and probably play him like this.

I miss the mana monster.

Ps - missing the catch up exp in the games that don't start well, pretty hard. Having the better fed jungler right now is more impact-full then before. And if you have to play catch up, you can only play for late game and its pretty miserable. Still winnable with clever play, but miserable.

7 Comments

AkeneroDec 3, 20193 votes

I don't wanna see tank ryze again, sorry

Stonemason2121Dec 4, 20191 votes

Lol what about AP Yi hahahah.

WoonStruckDec 3, 20193 votes

How about we make flux not bounce? Ever. Single target spell, along with Q.

No way to deal brainless AoE damage that Ryze never needed in the first place.

Having his mana costs scale is a good idea, though.

Stonemason2121Dec 4, 20191 votes

I don't mind the flux bounce, but maybe play with the rang a bit? make it only bounce in like a direction that is relevant to the direction his spells are cast?

idk like i said, i dont play him. i have played him, but only to learn a bit about what he can do. I found him a bit boring to play. I was expecting to feel like a Mana Monster, but i just felt like a mage that got extra damage that other mages didnt.

WoonStruckDec 4, 20191 votes

I like the original Ryze iterations better, even with the different ult reworks.

Spell Flux was a lot more interesting of a spell (it bounced between targets like Brand ult, but could bounce off of Ryze as well, allowing him to use it in single target instances). It dealt low overall damage but lowered MR.

Basically all of his damage was single target, unless he ulted, in which case everything would deal 50% of its damage in an aoe around it.

Honestly, I'd prefer it if they just gave back his old E, maybe minus the MR reduction. It forces him to be within a certain distance to get the bounce, which in turn makes it so he can't just mindlessly spam EQ at max range for max damage 0-investment trades.

Ryze shouldn't have waveclear early, especially with his scaling. He should be forced to go protobelt for wave control like every other scaling mage.

Ore wa LeBlancDec 3, 20192 votes

Read your post and could only see "deal more damage" everywhere, whilst you said it yourself, he already deals too much damage. You're increasing his CDs, but buffing his damage even more, that's not gonna solve anything.

Stonemason2121Dec 4, 20191 votes

If you really look at it, its not more damage, its less dps, more damage scaling off mana. Making higher contrast to his early and late game ability. Keeping in high burst ability while lowering over all dps. the problem isn't the out right burst, its his ability to 1v1 or 1v2, win the fight, then be fresh for the next one 6 seconds later.

If all you ever did was nerf champions you dont like to fight, pretty soon the only champs people complain about are the ones you like to play.

Ryze is broken and needs tweaking. I was just talking about what i would want to do to make him feel like a Mana monster.

Lastly i didn't buff his damage, i made it scale off something else entirely. you could build him AP with the changes i would make but you'd drain his mana pool and not benefit from things like the item passive. UNIQUE Passive: Eternity.

if his damage is to much, play with the numbers and bring it down, if his heals from items are over the top, play with the numbers that are reliant on that. in the end i'm not talking about a nerf or a buff, but a rework to his current core.