elo gods

Mcloved··2 votes·1,153 views

so why is geting ranked based on wins and not skill lvl? seriously i get bronze 2 starting after being in s1, then i go down because of afkers and feeders..... people who want to climb shouldn't be punished for having "badluck" and getting these kinds of people.....it should bebased on howyou do not only win/loss......yes its a team game but you cannot solo carry games really anymore, and you cannot magicallly make your team good or listen .....yea i've won a few bronze games but that was mainly luck of having a team that was 1/2 way decent, yet i'm still getting demoted due to the issues with feeder ans afkers.....i cnootsolo every lane and jungle and win.......seriously riot fix your fucking shitty mmrs....

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The 14th Angel1 votes

It makes sense as to why its not based off skill, Winning is what keeps the game balanced, and seperated the losers.

In other words, if you are good. IF you are. you will climb, and will meet with players based on your skill potential.

If we had it the way you wanted it. Bad people would be placed with bad people. and one team wins, and they move up in ranks (bad people move up)

Its kinda hard to understand what im saying, but just be glad league isnt based off skill, only wins.

Dirty Bastard1 votes

I just want to say that Its a total myth to think that games get any easier as you climb... there is not much difference between bronze and silver, the games will still be difficult and get harder as you play against more challenging players. The more challenging the players, the more odds of them taking advantage of mistakes which lower elo leave unpunished.

Consider also that when you enter a new tier, the play style and focus is also different, it can even feel like a different game on the rift altogether, and so you will still end up feeling like your in games that are "unfair".

"I don't see the world as it is, I see the world as I am." Good quote to think over.

Mcloved1 votes

no but it makes no sense to being in bronze elo, having to go against silvers while being paired with bronze.....the "balanced" system as stated it gives you people that are worse than you are, makes you go against people who are better than you, giving you no chance to win....if they gave me people around the same SKILL level it wouldn't be so bad.....but getting people that have no clue what they are doing when you where one win away from gold, and getting shit on in bronze due to idiots......yea, there is a problem

o0O Madoka O0o1 votes

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no but it makes no sense to being in bronze elo, having to go against silvers while being paired with bronze.....the "balanced" system as stated it gives you people that are worse than you are, makes you go against people who are better than you, giving you no chance to win....if they gave me people around the same SKILL level it wouldn't be so bad.....but getting people that have no clue what they are doing when you where one win away from gold, and getting shit on in bronze due to idiots......yea, there is a problem

I clicked on your past 10 games and I didn't find a game that's imbalanced. Players are all bronze 4 to 2, or unranked in their placement, which are within 1 rank.

You know there's a thing called confirmation bias, when you feel you are having a bad day, you start to notice more bad things. But they might just as frequent as normal. Just take a break, take some shower when you are tilting. Coming back with better morale will help you climb.

Mcloved2 votes

not even close.....i by no means am pro, but if someone, from say, diamond tier, going trying to climb, that they would even have a freggin hard time climbing. When the "game balanced" is as unbalanced as it is something really needs to change. When trying to climb you get people either afking and/or feeding (2/15/7 example) 90% of the time, its almost impossible to climb. Just when shit players make it to where you cannot climb it gets old, and tiring trying to climb....and there should be a better balancing system in place. Placements when you go against everyone(even diamond/plat tier people due to reset) and you get them about 7/10 times....yet you shouldn't be instantly place in bronze where you are not going to climb for there entire year.

SeaGodUrronuos1 votes

Win 5/10 games but get placed in bronze 5. Love it

Mysticman891 votes

You are aware that theres lots of diamond players (or higher) who make fresh accounts and rank them up to diamond in a week for the sake of youtube videos/stream views right? There's probably more documented evidence that diamonds have no problem climbing out of bronze than pretty much any other skill level climbing out of any other tier, so it's odd that you'd make a claim to the contrary.

It's really hard to stay in bronze when you're not actually bronze. I was mid plat-ish last season and I even made a random adc only account that only played vayne/draven (neither of which I had much experience on, as a support main), and I literally first time draven'd and pooped on bronze players. And as I actually got to be slightly less horrible on draven, staying bronze got increasingly hard requiring tons of dodges.

Remember, feeders/afks statistically are more likely to make you climb, since theres 5 people who can do that on the enemy team, but only 4 on your own (assuming you never feed or afk). If you feel matchmaking is specifically targetting you so you have feeders 50% or more of the time, then that's negativity bias and/or being delusional.

Mcloved1 votes

ok, that'd make sense, i'm gong against diamond and play players alts to climb into silver...that's fair....

A Doorknob1 votes

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You are aware that theres lots of diamond players (or higher) who make fresh accounts and rank them up to diamond in a week for the sake of youtube videos/stream views right? There's probably more documented evidence that diamonds have no problem climbing out of bronze than pretty much any other skill level climbing out of any other tier, so it's odd that you'd make a claim to the contrary.

It's really hard to stay in bronze when you're not actually bronze. I was mid plat-ish last season and I even made a random adc only account that only played vayne/draven (neither of which I had much experience on, as a support main), and I literally first time draven'd and pooped on bronze players. And as I actually got to be slightly less horrible on draven, staying bronze got increasingly hard requiring tons of dodges.

Remember, feeders/afks statistically are more likely to make you climb, since theres 5 people who can do that on the enemy team, but only 4 on your own (assuming you never feed or afk). If you feel matchmaking is specifically targetting you so you have feeders 50% or more of the time, then that's negativity bias and/or being delusional.

There's a problem with this logic. They're Diamond skill and knowledge level. A silver player can be stuck in bronze for a long time until they acquire more skill than is actually necessary to climb. In other words, he could be of silver skill level, but because he isn't of gold skill level the silver skill level may not be enough to allow him climb out of bronze because bronze is in such despair. This issue has existed for a long time. Another issue with Bronze rank at the moment is that literally anybody can land in it. Even people with not enough game knowledge who would like to climb. This creates problems for those who should be able to climb but cannot because of these people. It then becomes a game more based around luck than a game based around skill as sometimes you'll land with the derps and sometimes you'll be against the derps. The elo ranking starts to balance out around silver 2 and that's because virgin rankers will start between silver 2 - silver 4 on average.

A Diamond player smurfing has so much game knowledge and skill, he can literally hard carry every game. A silver cannot hard carry every game. He doesn't know how. They've not acquire the skill or knowledge to hard carry like a diamond player. Other ranks would show difficulties doing this. It's also been said in the past that even diamond players, when they're solo queing in bronze with a smurf, they too sometimes have difficulties climbing out of bronze.

Mysticman891 votes

Much of that particular response was in response to his claim that "if someone, from say, diamond tier, going trying to climb, that they would even have a freggin hard time climbing", which is provably false, since as you say, they have diamond skill and knowledge, and so they pretty much can hard carry most games (I wouldn't say every game).

Certainly the closer you are to your 'true' elo, the slower your climb, and really that's going to be true everywhere on the ladder. When you're within 1 division of your 'true' elo, whether that's a bronze 1 who deserves silver 5 or a plat 3 who deserves plat 2, then their long run win rate at that elo might only be like 50.5% or something only barely better than 50%, but if you are better than your current elo, you will bias the odds upwards from 50%. A challenger smurf in bronze may well be able to bias the odds up from 50% to 95%, while a plat might only manage 60% and silvers only like 53%, but in each case they will be able to pull more than their weight and drag the derps to victory more often than not.

Again, it's not a case of hard carrying every game, and certainly there will be some unwinnable ones as your teammates all feed their (questionably existent) brains out, but just a matter of statistics. 5 potential derps on their team, and 4 on yours, so on average you will net gain, it's just a matter of playing enough matches for statistics to pan out, and never getting frustrated/tilted to the point where you actually are dragging down your team.

A Doorknob1 votes

Make a smurf and get to b5. Bronze and high silver cannot simply be explained. There's an issue but until you actually live it, you don't understand it. A constant way ppl get out is by duo queuing which defeats the purpose solo queuing or just remaking a new account. As for diamonds not having difficulties climbing, google it.

Mysticman891 votes

I take it you missed where I pointed out I do have a bronze account. It's actually bronze 3 right now rather than b5, but I don't know how people manage to get that low without intentionally feeding. Even getting bronze in the first place involved playing mechanically difficult champions I had no experience on and doing my best to ignore the minimap, while I pushed side lanes alone as an adc and hoped they'd send multiple people to try to stop me in order to make things more interesting. (Unfortunately I'd occasionally win the 1v2 or more, or my team would actually accomplish something while they were chasing me, resulting in some unwanted wins.)

You absolutely can't play in the same manner as one would in plat, and people in bronze/silver are really bad, some to the point of being uncarryable. And yet I still have a 63% win rate on that account, and I'm not even playing champions I'm good at. Am I just exceptionally lucky? Maybe I'm actually challenger level and just haven't gotten there yet? Or maybe statistics are an actual thing.

It is not hard to climb out of bronze if you're gold+. It is extremely hard if not impossible to carry every game in bronze. For some reason, people have a tendency to think the latter contradicts the former, but that doesn't logically follow.

o0O Madoka O0o1 votes

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not even close.....i by no means am pro, but if someone, from say, diamond tier, going trying to climb, that they would even have a freggin hard time climbing. When the "game balanced" is as unbalanced as it is something really needs to change. When trying to climb you get people either afking and/or feeding (2/15/7 example) 90% of the time, its almost impossible to climb. Just when shit players make it to where you cannot climb it gets old, and tiring trying to climb....and there should be a better balancing system in place. Placements when you go against everyone(even diamond/plat tier people due to reset) and you get them about 7/10 times....yet you shouldn't be instantly place in bronze where you are not going to climb for there entire year.

There's no way to get rid of afk/feeding by matchmaking, they could only be banned out, which takes time for the system to react. Statistically speaking, they have a higher chance to be on the enemy team if you ain't afk, so it shouldn't affect climbing.

The matchmaking was plain out bugged earlier this season, so it that's that.

We used to have a promotion system that makes really hard to rank up so that's no the case anymore. (you used to get inflated MMR in promotions lolz).

These all bad experience, but I don't see them prevent players from climbing though.

By the way I did check your last games, I saw pretty balanced matches, that's why I say you maybe having confirmation bias of a bad day. All they players you met were around your same rank.

Mcloved1 votes

not really confirmation bias, when you get feeders all games, no matter how hard you try to carry or climb they always drag you down. Also when you have plat+diamond player smurfing making ids on how to get out, ranking really don't matter....they just tank their placements, and just destroy any and everyone for not being plat or diamond.... its something riot should stop.

o0O Madoka O0o1 votes

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not really confirmation bias, when you get feeders all games, no matter how hard you try to carry or climb they always drag you down. Also when you have plat+diamond player smurfing making ids on how to get out, ranking really don't matter....they just tank their placements, and just destroy any and everyone for not being plat or diamond.... its something riot should stop.

Riot does try to minimize feeders, though the efficiency is quiet questionable. (But I have to admite the problem is very hard to solve).

My point is, feeders don't stop you from climbing. They might be in your game dragging you one game, but they could be in the enemy team as well. And statistically speaking, they have a higher chance to be on the enemy team(4 position on your team vs 5 on the enemy), thus they wouldn't stop you from climbing (in a long term). Of course, if you are very unlucky, you can have more feeders on your team.

SeaGodUrronuos1 votes

No you wont, I could be a 14/2 twisted fate with 2 towers taken mid taking bot and top lane with my ultimate, and still jungle feeds no one listens to you about when to baron or when to group and when it's not a good idea to split because they all call you bad anyway because its bronze

Bronze Bonanza1 votes

The point isn't to solo carry. The point is to positively influence your teams through your own play in order to increase your % of won games, which will increase your MMR.

Mcloved1 votes

positively influencing teams will not magically make them win or be good....

Mysticman891 votes

It will however, bias your long term win rate to be >50%.

Mcloved1 votes

it will make me be trying to be helpful yet no one listens, and people will still feed, so no....

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