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@Riot I am a 1 million Mastery points Teemo main, I think he really needs a rework

serenity7·2/5/2017, 7:29:35 PM·5 votes·2,308 views
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I just saw the post about quitting playing Teemo and wanted to add from my experience. **I have over 1 million mastery points **on Teemo and this season I quit playing him completely. I played him before because he was a tank shredder, splitpusher, and objective/vision controller. Not because I am a troll. The problem is that right now, his simple kit feels outdated and unviable. He does not have the tools to compete with the more modern champions. His kit is does not give you the ability to outplay opponents. I thought I could carry games through good game knowledge and decision making alone, but that doesn't work in this season. This are the problems with Teemo:

-His passive is irrelevant because the game has become more team fight oriented -His Q blind effect is not significant enough, most champs can still kill you without autoing you -His W does not provide mobility on the same level as new mobile champions, he is now considered immobile -His E makes him reliant on auto attacks, which require him to need peel. His poison damage is not strong enough to get through all the new shields. -His traps, his ultimate ability and main form of damage, are not a reliable form of damage in a teamfight, can be cleared with sweeper -He does not have a clear identity, he is a mix of mage, marksman, and assassin elements. He is single target, right click reliant, immobile, and has little burst. In this season, this results in a champion who has a weak early game, poor teamfight, and more recently, poor laning phase due to being an easy target for ganks. -His playstyle and ability usage are predictable, non-interactive, and repetitive -His damage is undodgeable and has no counterplay, and therefore the champion must be kept weak -Nerfs to on-hit damage and items like runnans, guinsoos, hextech gunblade, frozen mallet, stinger, and fervor of battle because of kogmaw, kalista and others that indirectly nerfed teemo

  This champion is in dire need of a rework. I hope certain key elements of his kit are saved, but he needs significant changes. To be viable he needs a better mobility spell, damage added to his kit that is up front and not single targeted, and to be less reliant on his autos and his traps for damage. He needs a gameplay identity that is unique to the champion, and abilities that work together clearly and cohesively.

 Another Teemo player point out "Also how he has lost his scout identity by destroying his vision control i.e. 5mins mushroom time and oracles/wards." Teemo's kit has hardly anything to do with his champion's character or lore. The vision changes removed most of that. Some ideas of how to make this champion viable could be his poison could need to be activated by some combo of his abilities. He needs a real dash. His q or a new ability should be a skill shot or multi target. His traps should be a utility tool not a damage tool, and they shouldn't be his ultimate. He also needs a completely new ability, or a new effect to activate with a certain combo of abilities, this could possibly involve stealth. 
He needs new things added to his skill so that he has a higher skill ceiling and mastery curve. His damage should be shifted away from traps and on hit damage on autos, and instead should be in either abilities, or autos that proc a certain effect. Maybe shrooms mark someone as being tracked. Autos apply stacks of d.o.t. After a certain number of stacks, gain additional effect on abilities.

Teemo used to have a lot of strengths. He was good at kiting, tank shredding, making escapes, assassinations, planning out zone and vision control. Now he is outclassed by almost every champion. Overall he's literally a joke. Riot if you even care about this champion as something more than a joke could you please do something to help this champion. There serious mains who are not trolling and care about this champ.

14 Comments

Tormentula2/5/2017, 8:31:11 PM3 votes

idk why people still consider teemo a troll pick, I don't play him but i do see him occasionally rise as a top winrate top laner. I feel people just don't know how to build him right (the AD frozen mallet build is actually really really good, AP is too squishy and counterable.) or don't know how to freeze lane and abuse the fact you can deny farm and have constant river vision with shrooms.

The only reason he's a troll pick is because people use that champion to stereotypically troll as.

But yea he needs a VGU, not being he's bad right now but because he's just outdated in general as a champion.

Rabblerouser2/5/2017, 8:08:54 PM2 votes

Honestly, I think he's fine as he is, but needs minor adjustments. A champion shouldn't shift just to suit the meta. There's a large pool of champs in need of a "rework" right now if that were the case. The meta just shifts and makes certain champs less viable.

Also, Teemo suits a different style of play that seems to still work at times, although very situational.

Niyumi2/5/2017, 8:16:01 PM2 votes

Honestly, I just feel like he needs a small roll or something on his W, and retool his ult a bit so that it's not so hard countered by sweepers (maybe make Oracle Alteration reveal and disable his traps, but only let them be destroyed if you use a pink ward or the regular sweeper), and he'd be fine.

Jbels2/5/2017, 7:42:24 PM2 votes

The fact that Riot allows Teemo to exist as he is even to this day is nonsensical to me. ESPECIALLY with the advent of mobility and Damage creep, the culmination of which has arrived in Camille. Immobile champions that don't bring any hard CC or utility that isn't conditional (like Teemo's Shrooms) just don't work in this game anymore. Look at all of the juggernauts. Every single one except Darius is doing okay right now, and that's only because they gave his kit some much power that he couldn't help but shit on his good matchups, and go on killing sprees with his okay matchups

sobi9992/5/2017, 10:01:19 PM2 votes

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Do i need to say more about the viability of teemo?

Full AP build is made useless for the above reasons. You really only need 1 MR item and you can take all the mushrooms in the world. Hybrid teemo lacks the burst he needs as an assasin and he lacks base health for a bruiser. As a marksman he is reliant on AD and AP and his AA are the only thing in his kit reliant on AD whilst everything is scaled with AP. His kit is loaded (in a bad way) and you can probably use 60% of the items on him because he clearly has no core items in my opinion. If anything i would say gunblade comes closest to being one of them for a hybrid teemo as AP teemo is dying because the counters to them are obnoxious. You can't change the 60% items to suit him but you can rework him to fit into atleast one god damn role.

GarthBrooksXD2/5/2017, 8:19:48 PM2 votes

I think hes pretty good still. People still main him in challenger and even build him full ap sometimes :). I would like to see some small changes on him tho.

sometimeitdo3/11/2017, 9:33:23 PM1 votes

I don't mean to be "that guy" as I'm low elo as well, but you are low elo. You can watch players like ipav who use Teemo effectively and realize he is completely viable. maybe small changes if anything. I will not argue about a visual update only, no spell changes. my happy elf could use an update :D