I swear to god, people need to get out of this mentality that when they play normals, it's okay to completely feed, do bad and not try. It's one thing if you are actually trying, but to not communicate (via pings or w/e), and proceed to feed and then say "it's normals, who cares?" is completely ridiculous. Please, do everyone a favor and uninstall the game, or just play ranked where it "matters".
Papa Andrei24 votesPeople don't get it that Normals is where you go to practice.
Awesomedude88887 votesAnd frankly, I don't care if I feed on my first time Yasuo (or any champ for that matter).
Trenitaliyah4 votesThen don't complain when someone feeds in your ranked games.
Awesomedude88881 votesWhere did I say I was first timing Yasuo in ranked?
Trenitaliyah1 votesI wasn't clear. If you "do not care" feeding in someone else's match, even normal, that is where people get to practice and put their efforts in there as well, then don't complain if someone does not care feeding in ranked too. Because if you're not confident with your champion the first time you try it, of course you can feed a bit at least in the first minutes into a game obviously. But feeding hard is another concept, it means that you genuinely throw your champ in lane without any reason or without any understanding of the game: playing safe is avoiding feeding and avoid feeding is doing good in lane as well as killing the enemy. If you're really wanna try out a champ for first time there's always custom games or games with bot, I don't see why you have to feed in my games, even not ranked. The fact about not taking seriously even the not ranked games is toxicity itself.
Awesomedude88881 votesAnd what I was saying is that you will feed if you play a champ for the first time, especially Yasuo. In normals, I don't care, since this is where you go to play a champ for the first time. In ranked, however, I do not want first-timers on my team. And as long as someone doesn't intentionally feed (a la Tyler1, PSZ, and the likes) and is just feeding because they're bad I am fine with them playing whatever for the first time in a normal game.
Bard Blyat Bard1 votesNo, it's called a NORMAL game. Not a "DOES NOT MATTER" game. NORMAL. By the way, I have had many morons like you calling 2/16 "practizing". And I have had two of these popups telling me that someone had be punished. One guy was not flaming, but going 0/16 on Singed, calling it "it's not ranked, nobody cares". Since that guy did not flame at all (and I do not think chat restrictions make a popup appear) I am pretty sure it was because of his feeding spree. I reported that guy and after 5 minutes the popup appeared:he has been banned right off the bat. He was Level 12 btw, so the beginner's protection already was over. I also had one time where one of my smurfs got permanently banned right away without any previous restriction when I refused to play and said that "I do not have a team" and flamed them a bit. Quintessence: RIOT bans your filthy arse if you behave bad - in ranked AND normals!
http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/ax5qlvfdg3t.jpg
All happened in normals.
(I do play only normals, since I gotta Instantlock Bard on this account, had this poppin' up 2 times the last week, twice after a heavy loss with feeders that do not care about normals actually)
Papa Andrei1 votesOKay you are talking about int feeders and people purposely trolling not caring. I said Normals is where people go to practice if they actually care about the game :) please pay attention to what you are posting under
vOmvbrawfU17 votesYou're fighting an uphill battle here bud.
the Anarchit3cht11 votesAre you sure these people aren't trying or maybe they are just trying something new? Bots can only get you so much practice.
MisterShameless1 votesDominion was a pretty good place to practice. Full build at 18 minutes, you hit level 18 at 16 minutes, average game is 15-20, 7-9 minutes when its a stomp or when only one person is doing objectives while everyone else is doing a death match.
No one cares about your build as long as you were useful in fights or capturing towers, so no one ever raged.
Good times.
Jorencice4 votesSaid no one...
Wait like .5% of the playerbase played.
Spaceman5pff2 votesi used to play full ms rammus on dominion
great times
MrryZ2 votesIgnore everyone and go straight for the objectives ahah good times Also tried that with eve and it worked decently
Bard Blyat Bard1 votesTrying something new? If you are sure it works, then try it in ranked. If you know it will blow, get your punishment for trolling. There is just a very small margin inbetween these two scenarios, but if you take that risk, it's your thing.
the Anarchit3cht2 votesHere's the thing: You don't know it works until you try it. Or maybe you want to try a champion you haven't played before and you don't know how good you are going to do and you don't want to drag down others ranked scores because it turns out you bombed it and didn't do that well.
Trying something new or unconventional is NOT trolling.
Ariel the Cruel8 votesAgreed. Take all that trolling, practicing, and BM to ranked where it belongs.
Don't come back until you're ready for the big time. ;p
TyrekGoldenspear6 votes...Wait a minute...
M Dragon147 votesMan, if I go to normals, I do so to have fun. If that means I don't play well and end up feeding, oh well, but thats not my intention. I'd say thats the objective of most people that play normals.
Bard Blyat Bard1 votesAnd you do not have fun in rankeds? Is that seriez buzinez? Normals are Normals, as the name suggests. Not the playground for tards as you assume. You call it "trying something new" or "having fun", but where is the difference from ranked? Literally nothing, you get your arse busted in both modes by either the leaverbuster or the regular report systems; I've had two "we penalized a player" popups the last week full with people like you taking the "I HAZ FUN" attitude too far. Looks like RIOT actually looks into cases in both game modes.
If you do not hard feed (something you would never admit I guess) then everything's fine; we talk about the hard trolls, and the margin inbetween is pretty small and clear.
M Dragon143 votesI mean, you're assuming that people saying that shit are int feeding/trolling. When I play ranked, I play my main role with the champs that I feel I can win with. When I play norms, I play whatever role I feel, with whatever champ I want. If I end up feeding in a normal, oh well. Did I int feed? Nah, but I'm not going to worry much if I do feed.
My objective in both ranked and norms are to win, but the difference is that I pick the strategy that is most fun for me in normal's, rather than the most practical compared to ranked.
Spicy Rice1 votesExactly this.
If you expect to play serious games, then play ranked
50000000000000006 votesI'm more willing to surrender in a normal game, but I still try even with the surrender vote. That's kinda the point of the vote.
Wrightrj5 votesI'm okay with the "It's only a normal, no need to rage" saying, but when people start inting because it's "only a normal," it gets me pretty worked up because I want to actually try to win and improve.
Laxfan524 votesits where I go to practice champs, but I have more fun playing new champs (and by new I mean new to me) than playing ranked so I generally just play normal.
ProjektSHIN4 voteshonestly.. it's just people that are bad at this game that say "it's just norms".... it's an excuse... the sad thing is... they don't realize it themselves... because i know for a god damn fact that if this was a ranked game... you'd play EXACTLY the same... it's not even about you "first timing" a champ... it's about your decisions in game.. ..
i always play to win.. regardless if its a normal or ranked... i always perform... what the hell do you do?
Bard Blyat Bard1 votesTard: "It's only a game and I have fun" - 0/14/2. Me: "In your family, losing hard is fun?" Tard: "Report Bard for harrasment".
Rivini3 votesThe opposite annoys me far more.
What I mean by that are people who tryhard in normals (bend over backwards to win). I don't even mean just the champions picked, like Yasuo, Vayne, Rengar, Kha'Zix, Zed, LeBlanc, and so on. They could genuinely be trying them out in a PvP mode, which is perfectly fine and normals are the place to do that.
However, when they decide to do things like swarming the top laner with 4+ allies when said top laner isn't even ahead, or taking advantage of the enemy team having an afk, it is completely unacceptable. For example, the support is afk and the other team has 3 people constantly gank and zone the lone ADC and keep them shut down.
Why be so tryhard in a normal? Like, what the heck?
If it's ranked, it's a little more understandable to ensure you get your free LP by resorting to such tactics, but in a freaking normal, that's very bad-mannered and disrespectful in my opinion. You don't have to completely spoil the fun and ruin their day when that player and their team are already down on their luck.
You're a horrible human being if you pull stuff like that.
Normals should be for fun and trying new things, not playing like you're in a series to get to master.
Qiyeanu Reeves3 votesTo be fair the mindset that everyone plays ranked and normals is kind of incorrect. I don't play ranked at all because I main fill and I find it a little difficult to climb since I'm not particularly good at any specific role anymore. Since all I play are normals this means the only place I ever try hard is normals, the only place I ever practice is normals, etc....so you can't fault everyone for playing their best in norms as if they also played ranked.
MVDuneCats4 votes[{quoted}](name=Shotgun Wedding,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Psa4cOMJ,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2016-12-31T01:31:34.080+0000)
To be fair the mindset that everyone plays ranked and normals is kind of incorrect.
I think the only correct mindset for any mode is to play for fun, but not at anyone else's expense. Trolling in ranked is at someone else's expense. Smurfing and/or try harding in normals is at someone else's expense.
Qiyeanu Reeves1 votesFun fact: there is no correct mindset for playing this game. The only bad ones are inting, trolling, and otherwise breaking the game's TOS. Just because it might make somebody feel bad to be crushed by somebody trying their best doesn't make that other person a bad person. Like, I hate ranked, and I don't ever want to play it, so why shouldn't I be able to try my best in normals? I really don't understand your logic.
Rivini1 votes[{quoted}](name=Shotgun Wedding,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Psa4cOMJ,comment-id=000d000000000001,timestamp=2016-12-31T20:59:35.817+0000)
Like, I hate ranked, and I don't ever want to play it, so why shouldn't I be able to try my best in normals? I really don't understand your logic.
Where is your logic?
You want to tryhard, but you don't want to play the mode where you're supposed to tryhard?
That suggests you want to win more by having a higher chance of playing against people who aren't trying their hardest or playing something off-meta/trolly. In other words, you want the difficulty set to easy mode.
When you're tryharding, you're not playing casual or for fun, which is what normals are meant for.
Ranked is the same exact game as normal. The only differences are you are matched with players who are actually in your skill range (never too under- or over-skilled than your team) and, as already mentioned, people are more likely to try to win, like you. So, why not just play ranked?
Qiyeanu Reeves1 votesBecause I don't want a ranked border? I don't want a rank at all? I genuinely don't want to climb a latter and don't give a fuck about elo so I don't want to go into ranked games where people care about their elo since I GENUINELY couldn't care less? That's actually what's unfair. Not trying in normals because that's the only game mode you play.
Honestly why do you have such a strong opinion on this? If I'm not breaking the ToS I don't see what the problem is?
YumScrumptious962 votesTryharding in normals makes me a horrible human being? Wow this is new depths of bullshit. I want to win the game, and I'm just as likely to have an afk or a inter as you, so I shouldn't be trying to make the game last longer. If anything, by ending quickly we are helping as it means you get out of the shit match for you and enter a new one. You're being super whiny that people want to win as quick as possible, which is the goal of this game. Its not my fault you got an afk or whatever, so don't call others a horrible person.
Rivini2 votesTryharding in normals makes me a horrible human being? Wow this is new depths of bullshit. I want to win the game, and I'm just as likely to have an afk or a inter as you, so I shouldn't be trying to make the game last longer. If anything, by ending quickly we are helping as it means you get out of the shit match for you and enter a new one. You're being super whiny that people want to win as quick as possible, which is the goal of this game. Its not my fault you got an afk or whatever, so don't call others a horrible person.
Just playing normally will also end the match sooner than if it were 5v5, without frustrating the team with the disadvantage. That is if you were genuinely more skilled than the other team to begin with.
If you lack human decency, that's on you, not me.
See, if you had any, you would consider asking the enemy team if you could group mid and push to the nexus. You wouldn't suddenly swarm the lone laner at bot whom is more than likely already being zoned hard, or constantly counterjungle the jungler who may be trying to cover a lane for an afk while also trying to jungle.
You don't need to give them hell just because you think it's the best thing to do. Not everyone wants to immediately give up when they have an afk, you know. They want to see if they would still have a chance, plus winning a 4v5 always feels good, but if people like you go "nope, we're bm'ing you until this ends," you effectively ruin any fun that could have been salvaged.
YumScrumptious961 votesHuman decency? What world do you live in kiddo? Its a fucking video game and you actually are this upset about teams playing to win? Bm'ing? What the actual fuck? TIL bm'ing means playing the way that gives you the best chance of winning. Its not bm'ing to win. I've won 4v5's, the enemy team played their best, if you deserve to win it you will but losing to them camping or counterjungling because of afk doesn't mean you didn't deserve to lose. I usually hate the millenials suck and are too PC shit, but you are really far into the bullshit mindset. How the fuck can you honestly think someone is a horrible person for playing a goddamn video game and winning quickly as possible? I guess we should disqualify teams from e-sports for beating weaker opponents by playing around the weakest player.
Rivini1 votesHuman decency? What world do you live in?
I live in a world with humans, where you should be able to find human decency, no?
- playing to win
If you're only concerned with the match outcome instead of whether or not you or others are having an enjoyable and fun time, play ranked.
fucking fuck shit bullshit fuck goddamn
Swearing like a sailor makes you a big boy!
Bard Blyat Bard3 votesIf you're only concerned with the match outcome instead of whether or not you or others are having an enjoyable and fun time, play ranked.
This can be used exactly for normals. How is trying something new fun for others? What do you want to try in normals that you can't in your beloved rankeds?
If you don't know a champ, go to botgames. You will learn the mechanics. When you know them, go to ranked. If you don't know if a build works, well, as Level 3o you should have enough experience to figure out what's total bullocks and what MIGHT work. If you play somethin that really does NOT work on purpose, you are a troll, you get called that way and, depending on your stats, busted if you keep doing that. If you play something that works, then everything's fine.
Rivini1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bard Blyat Bard,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Psa4cOMJ,comment-id=000d00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-01T16:43:19.628+0000)
This can be used exactly for normals.
No, it cannot because:
How is trying something new fun for others?
It's fun when they are also focused on fun and not just winning the match at all costs.
Haven't you ever been in a normal match where someone said at the start:
"First time (insert champion). Hope I won't feed too much."
Then the others reply with:
"No worries, dude."
Or are all your teams like:
"Oh god, fk you! I need to win!"
What do you want to try in normals that you can't in your beloved rankeds?
You can try new things in ranked, but that's not the point.
Ranked is where it matters more for everyone you're playing with. It's not fair to them to jeopardize your team's chance at winning and potentially cost them LP because you refused to practice in a casual mode first.
If you don't know a champ, go to botgames. You will learn the mechanics. When you know them, go to ranked.
I go to co-op first when trying something new, then normals.
Why?
You can only practice so much against the predictable and weaker AI. Learning how to position and react to real player actions with the champion's kit you're practicing is very important and cannot be attained in co-op. I could play Lee Sin in co-op and go 25/0/10, but that kind of KDA doesn't immediately translate to PvP.
YumScrumptious961 votesYeah you obviously misunderstood that "what world do you live in". It means what pampered lifestyle did you enjoy where winning is an indicator of lack of decency. I play to win in normals, and I do play ranked as well. Don't tell me what I can and can't do because you don't like losing. As for swearing, welcome to the world where bad language can be used casually or as emphasis.
Rivini1 votesYeah you obviously misunderstood that "what world do you live in".
No, I didn't. I knew what you meant. That was plainly a joke I replied with.
It means what pampered lifestyle did you enjoy where winning is an indicator of lack of decency.
When did I indicate winning in any instance was bad? You're misconstruing what I'm saying to support your arguments now, intentionally or otherwise.
I play to win in normals,
I don't queue for normals with intent to lose, either.
Don't tell me what I can and can't do because you don't like losing.
Putting more words in my mouth? I never told anyone to do anything because I don't like losing.
As for swearing, welcome to the world where bad language can be used casually or as emphasis.
Every other word (exaggerating)? No, that shows ignorance and lack of grace, and in context with your comment, anger issues.
YumScrumptious961 votesPlainly a joke using words that you've also used seriously earlier. You indicate winning is bad by saying winning quickly by doing the best strategy means you aren't a good person. If you don't queue normals with intent to lose, good for you, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to play to win, which is what taking advantages is. You literally have said that I should play ranked if I'm only concerned with match outcome. I definitely didn't use swearing as every other word, but I did use swears in frustration, as that's what most people do. If I have anger issues then so does half the planet, since I've literally never had any sort of incident regarding me not controlling my anger or acting out in response to it. Of course there's lack of grace, you established that you didn't deserve grace the moment you said someone lacks human deceny for taking advantage of afk's to end the game.
Rivini1 votesPlainly a joke using words that you've also used seriously earlier.
You caught me. I really did believe you were asking me what type of planet in the universe I was living on. I'm so embarrassed now.
You indicate winning is bad by saying winning quickly by doing the best strategy means you aren't a good person. If you don't queue normals with intent to lose, good for you, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to play to win, which is what taking advantages is.
You're not listening to me.
You literally have said that I should play ranked if I'm only concerned with match outcome.
I sure did.
I definitely didn't use swearing as every other word,
I said "exaggerating" in parenthesis for a reason.
but I did use swears in frustration, as that's what most people do. If I have anger issues then so does half the planet,
13 year olds brought up in a negative environment are not the majority.
Of course there's lack of grace, you established that you didn't deserve grace the moment you said someone lacks human deceny for taking advantage of afk's to end the game.
How is pouring lemon juice in an open wound especially when undeserved anything but disgraceful and immoral?
YumScrumptious961 votesComparing taking advantage of afks to pouring lemon juice in an open wound is possibly the worst analogy I've ever seen. One does not inflict pain in a physical sense, and if you feel pain from losing normals in League in any sense, you brought it on yourself for playing online games with such a weak mental state. You say trying to win is bad if you use the most valid strategy to do it. I don't know if you are saying I'm a 13 year old brought up in a negative majority, but if you are its laughably bad. Given that you don't know anything about me, taking a jab at me after saying I have anger issues is hilarious.
Rivini1 votesComparing taking advantage of afks to pouring lemon juice in an open wound is possibly the worst analogy I've ever seen. One does not inflict pain in a physical sense, and if you feel pain from losing normals in League in any sense, you brought it on yourself for playing online games with such a weak mental state.
It's called an expression. A figure of speech.
Did you actually think I literally meant pouring real lemon juice on a real open wound outside of the internet?
Yep, this conversation is over. I'm tired of talking to brick walls who fail hard at comprehension. I've seen people be like "oh no, you brought up something realistic and therefore auto-lose the argument because I found myself a straw man!" but you take the cake.
M Dragon141 votesSo what, other players are supposed to play by the rules that you find fun? Sounds a bit selfish imo,
If that's how you view PvP to be, I think you should stick to PvE. You sound very anti-competitive, which League is not.
I get people get over competitive, and lose the point of the game over the objective. I do. But I also get people want to win as well. IF they chose to take the strat that is, god-forbid, frustrating the team with the disadvantage (whatever that means), where's the issue? Unless the enemy is going out of their way ONLY to fuck you over, there shouldn't be any argument.
Rivini1 votes[{quoted}](name=M Dragon14,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Psa4cOMJ,comment-id=000d00010000000000000002,timestamp=2017-01-02T07:51:14.184+0000)
So what, other players are supposed to play by the rules that you find fun? Sounds a bit selfish imo,
If that's how you view PvP to be, I think you should stick to PvE. You sound very anti-competitive, which League is not.
Have comfort in the fact that you aren't the only one to misinterpret what I'm saying.
I get people get over competitive, and lose the point of the game over the objective. I do.
:o
But I also get people want to win as well. IF they chose to take the strat that is, god-forbid, frustrating the team with the disadvantage (whatever that means), where's the issue?
Where's the issue? Did you really just ask that? Shucks, I thought you were turning into a good one there for a moment.
Unless the enemy is going out of their way ONLY to fuck you over, there shouldn't be any argument.
That's what I was originally saying!
I even said in my first post:
"For example, the support is afk and the other team has 3 people constantly gank and zone the lone ADC and keep them shut down."
This kind of thing should never happen in normals. That's tryharding to the max degree and borderlines toxicity, or "unsportsmanlike behavior" if you prefer. That's not having fun in a casual mode. That's drooling for the win at the cost of dignity.
You've pulled yourself back.
M Dragon141 votesSo what, other players are supposed to play by the rules that you find fun? Sounds a bit selfish imo,
If that's how you view PvP to be, I think you should stick to PvE. You sound very anti-competitive, which League is not.
**Have comfort in the fact that you aren't the only one to misinterpret what I'm saying. **
Then please state what your point is. It is clear either I have missed it, or you have failed to clarify it in your posts. To me, it sounds like you don't like players who tryhard.
But I also get people want to win as well. IF they chose to take the strat that is, god-forbid, frustrating the team with the disadvantage (whatever that means), where's the issue?
**Where's the issue? Did you really just ask that? Shucks, I thought you were turning into a good one there for a moment. **
Yes, I did. Simple question really. Any strat that exploits an enemy's weakness would be fustrating for the enemy team. What? Do you expect the enemy not to use their gold advantage against you? I know thats fustrating for me! I guess in my next game I shouldn't buy items with my gold advantage so I don't frustrate my enemy. Kappa.
"For example, the support is afk and the other team has 3 people constantly gank and zone the lone ADC and keep them shut down."
** This kind of thing should never happen in normals. That's tryharding to the max degree and borderlines toxicity, or "unsportsmanlike behavior" if you prefer. That's not having fun in a casual mode. That's drooling for the win at the cost of dignity. **
Why? Because they picked on the weakest and easiest source of gold? They are taking advantage of a weakness. That's league bud. That's pvp in general. Hell, that's all competition. You recognize the enemy's weakness and exploit it. That's how you win. Now, if they did that while also going into all chat and boasting.... Well, then that would be toxic. But trying to win is not. Get over it.
Rivini1 votes[{quoted}](name=M Dragon14,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Psa4cOMJ,comment-id=000d0001000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T02:24:36.738+0000) Then please state what your point is. It is clear either I have missed it, or you have failed to clarify it in your posts. To me, it sounds like you don't like players who tryhard.
"Don't kick someone when they are down" really needs to be clarified?
Yes, I did. Simple question really. Any strat that exploits an enemy's weakness would be fustrating for the enemy team. What? Do you expect the enemy not to use their gold advantage against you? I know thats fustrating for me! I guess in my next game I shouldn't buy items with my gold advantage so I don't frustrate my enemy. Kappa.
Using your gold to buy items is part of the game. Exploiting the enemy champion's weakness is part of the game.
Zoning a laner hard or 'living in the other team's jungle' because they have an afk support/jungler/whatever is NOT a part of the game the creators intended to have nor want.
^^^ That's born from the community, not the devs. If you think Riot or any other game company approves of such toxicity, I don't know what to tell you, but don't pretend it's an intended feature of any game.
Why? Because they picked on the weakest and easiest source of gold? They are taking advantage of a weakness. That's league bud. That's pvp in general. Hell, that's all competition. You recognize the enemy's weakness and exploit it. That's how you win. Now, if they did that while also going into all chat and boasting.... Well, then that would be toxic. But trying to win is not. Get over it.
Tell me then why they pause matches in the competitive scene when a player has connection (or other) issues?
Why not let them keep playing to "take advantage of a weakness"?
Isn't that League, pal?
You even said:
Hell, that's all competition.
Why don't they partake in such PvP exploitation? Don't they want to win? Why care for competitive integrity, right?
