J4's ult description is that it is a "impassable" wall....then why is it that riven can Q in and out like it's some kinda joke? Make it so that dashes can't pass through, but blinks like flash can still get away. Now days, almost every meta champion has some sort of mobility, making J4's ult at best, very situational.
Edit: Perhaps nerfing a bit of j4's damage in exchange for his ult being actually capable of trapping people inside.
Bârd38 votes
Q can pass through it.
It needs to be at least a LITTLE thicker.
Heckin Support1 votes[{quoted}](name=The True Bard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pi2IhZJK,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-06-18T02:17:57.441+0000)
It needs to be at least a LITTLE thicker.
I've walked right through it with 
ulti as valor. Flew right over it.
Robert Smith1 votesSeems legit since Valor flies higher than the other birds
Wumachine1 votespretty sure azir is a person, and only wears amour that resembles a bird
Aych Pii9 votesYou think that's bad? 
can get over it using W with just the slight nudge it gives him since his double can't occupy the exact same space as him.
Virgin Ray1 votesIs it extremly bad to the point where even 
can jump over it? (Not a sarcastic question, I really don't know if can attack jump over the wall)
Awoof2 votesWhat do you mean, "even"? She can already jump over some normal walls.
The GG Janitor2 votesWhat do you mean, "even"? She can already jump over some normal walls.
I mean all three of riven'Q can get out of the wall, not just the third one
LegacyDAP19 votesI actually like this idea. Tired of Vayne's literally tumbling out of it. +1
ClatoVerataNicto13 votesAnd then condeming you back into it for the stun.
Rustling Bush1 votesI actually like this idea. Tired of Vayne's literally tumbling out of it. +1
why would you ult vayne in the first place if you know what will happen?
ShaftyMegee13 votes+1. It would make his ult not usless in most mobile matchups
The Lexer8 votesI think it needs to be thicker. Don't let those crap dashes get through it, but dashes you can actually engage fights with (Sej, Gragas, J4 himself) can get through the wall. I;ll let Riot be the decider on where the cut-off is
MarhsallLee675 votes^ I'd prefer a dash length cutoff to an undashable wall. Azir's works as undashable because it's just one wall, not an inescapable circle like J4's.
Twëek12 votesThis is the best idea in this thread. Impassable would be too strong since you're locked in as opposed to dealing with a single wall. Short dashes like Riven Q, Vayne Q, Nid W, etc shouldn't give them such an easy out.
3TWarrior7 votesthe same can be said of Anivia's W. it is "impassable" terrain, but anything can dash, flash or blink through it
something that is kind of nice is that it's like a 5 second ward in bushes though XD
alfavhunter7 votesIncrease wall thickness on J4 and anivias walls by 50%
Mini dashes no longer pass through it
An alternative suggestion
J4 walls now stop all enemy dashes but the walls now automatically crumble if J4 leaves the area (Janna ulting him out as an example)
AbodyHUN6661 votesBut what will happen with tha ult then dash out trapping? When you are escaping with low health that's the best thing you can do.
Only Play Darius6 votes too.
MrBuffington6 votesOnly block enemy dashes though; it'd suck as J4 not to be able to EQ out of your own R, since it's really useful for just trapping people
The GG Janitor4 votesJ4 used to be op, so he did not need the buff, but right now he is totally out shinned by other junglers. When 
's Q can go through it, it ain't a "impassable" wall. At least make it thicker so only longer dashes like 
can get out.
Focus Teemo1 votes[{quoted}](name=The GG Janitor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pi2IhZJK,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-06-18T02:22:39.806+0000)
J4 used to be op, so he did not need the buff, but right now he is totally out shinned by other junglers. When
Would like to see J4 buffs and this is a worthy one so +1... also
Fun fact 's arctic assault (Q) used to shatter terrain abilities like 
's cataclysm, 's crystallize, and 
's pillar. I still don't understand why they removed it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8RnGNnTxac
Ser Garland1 votesThat's SO cool! Could you imagine Sejuani Qing through Azir's soldiers?
SEJ: FUCK DA POLICE!
Lugg3 votesAwesome idea. Riot needs to make this happen.
Ironclad Dragon3 votesAre you suggesting Riot actually deliver on an ultimate's intent? http://primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Game-of-Thrones-Ramsay-Bolton-555x312.jpg Yes please.
BastionKross3 votesI've seen people walk out of J4's ult. It's not a reliable way to escape, but when the walls so thin that once in a while you can just stroll away it might be time to take a look at them. It's getting to the point where I try to use the ult as burst damage, and the walls are more of a secondary effect that's nice if they manage to trap someone. It should be the other way around.
Ser Garland3 votesAs a J4 main, this might make him too Over Powered. I like that they treat his cataclysm as Terrain. If you can dash throughout terrain, you can dash through cataclysm. I use his ult as an execute/follow up anyway rather than an engage most of the time.
A low cool down ult that almost always forces a flash is a very very good ability. If you don't have flash and your dash is on cool down/non existent, you're pretty much screwed.
Now, Bugs like being able to just -walk- out of cataclysm. Fix those.
The GG Janitor1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ser Garland,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pi2IhZJK,comment-id=0020,timestamp=2015-06-18T18:39:25.035+0000)
As a J4 main, this might make him too Over Powered. I like that they treat his cataclysm as Terrain. If you can dash throughout terrain, you can dash through cataclysm. I use his ult as an execute/follow up anyway rather than an engage most of the time.
A low cool down ult that almost always forces a flash is a very very good ability. If you don't have flash and your dash is on cool down/non existent, you're pretty much screwed.
Now, Bugs like being able to just -walk- out of cataclysm. Fix those.
Well of course it would be a big buff to his kit, but we could also tune down his ult's damage so that people don't use it for the execute but rather for the actual wall. His ult just doesn't feel significant in late game team fights, once u jump in, ur like the only one left in ur ult (other than people who actually wanna be in there).
RoyaiChaos2 votesWhy change an aspect of J4 that doesn't need to be changed? The execute is fine, if it's not broken don't fix it. It would be like nerfing Annie's burst and giving Tibbers more power. It might make sense thematically, but it would be a huge nerf to Annie and even if she was compensated with Tibbers, she would be an entirely different champion by the end of it.
Ser Garland1 votesWhy nerf his damage? As Royal put it, Why change an aspect of J4 that doesn't need to be changed. He's fun to play, he's not too popular now, he has counter play but is a reliable pick and a godly team fighter.
Why give him -more- team fight capability in exchange for making him a useless duelist? People play him outside of the tank jungle meta you know. Does it anger you that a champion who was originally conceived as a laning champion is actually seeing play in lane as intended?
BakedLotion1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ser Garland,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pi2IhZJK,comment-id=0020,timestamp=2015-06-18T18:39:25.035+0000)
As a J4 main, this might make him too Over Powered. I like that they treat his cataclysm as Terrain. If you can dash throughout terrain, you can dash through cataclysm. I use his ult as an execute/follow up anyway rather than an engage most of the time.
A low cool down ult that almost always forces a flash is a very very good ability. If you don't have flash and your dash is on cool down/non existent, you're pretty much screwed.
Now, Bugs like being able to just -walk- out of cataclysm. Fix those.
Meanwhile Vayne tumble Straight from the wiki :Tumble cannot move Vayne over impassible terrain, but it does allow her to pass through minions and monsters.
Jarvan IV leaps to an enemy champion, dealing physical damage to them and creating a 325-radius circle of impassable terrain around themselves.
Strident2 votesThis would be far too powerful. His ganks would rise a ridiculous number of tiers from this change as for many laners, the only possible counterplay would be to flash. In other words, J4 would become the type of jungler that ults you, makes you flash, then comes right back. It would be far more effective than even Vi because of the fast wall generation and the long lasting terrain. It would make his team fight godly. It would make champions like Azir and Viktor even more powerful than they already are.
kJs2 votesThe OP already says, everyone just flashes out of it anyway. There are loads of champions who have dash abilities and everyone has a flash as well.
The point is to stop people from dashing out of his ult, I'm sure more than half of the champions in league have dashes that let them get out J4's ult. Most of the latest champions include rek'sai, Ekko, Bard, Braum, thresh, yasuo, etc; all have dashes. Note: Ekko has a dash and a blink.
Champion Skin2 votesLoads of champions who have flash like abilities? The only ones I can think are Ezeral and Kassadin and there is also Ekko I guess (with his R if it is outside the cataclysm and his E if has an enemy target)
I guess Fizz E might work as well though then Fizz has to get it just right And Elise might work as well if she has an enemy target
That's like 5/124
Anyone I missed?
kJs1 votesOopsie. Worded it wrong.
Strident1 votesThe OP already says, everyone just flashes out of it anyway. There are loads of champions who have flash like abilities as well.
The point is to stop people from dashing out of his ult, I'm sure more than half of the champions in league have dashes that let them get out J4's ult. Most of the latest champions include rek'sai, Ekko, Bard, Braum, thresh, yasuo, etc; all have dashes. Note: Ekko has a dash and a blink.
That's why I said this change would be too powerful. Not everyone flashes out of his ultimate because champions have dashes. If dashes are negated by J4's ultimate, then the only option is to flash, which elevates his ganks to god tier just by pressing R.
kJs1 votesYeah, it might be too strong. It would require some counterplay.
Say that we implement undashable Cataclysm, but if Jarvan IV is displaced out of/walks out of Cataclysm's area of effect (J4 can now walk out of Cataclysm's walls); the walls will break and will go on cooldown? Every second that the walls are up, the ability cooldown is reduced by 10%. Overall, increase the cooldown of Cataclysm to 140/130/120.
Hugo Butts2 votesNeeds a silence field for the duration, inside the walls of the arena so that those pesky Ezreals can't just Arcane Shift away instantly. It would work thematically as most people would be stunned into silence by the abrupt "DEMACIA" shouted right into their ears as he leaps, causing the deaf status effect as well (can't hear Sona's music for the duration).
Vistha Kai11 votes(can't hear Sona's music for the duration)
Holy cow. That'd make J4 reach over 100% winrate in ranked Q.
SpiritGear1 votesjust take soraka and jarvan and you got the same thing :O
finding levonte2 votesI can't support this. J4 would become very very over powered. HOWEVER, at least they could change it so that people cant just walk through his ult...
Hard Penetrator1 votesWont happen, it would be broken as hell. Btw Jarvan buff is ready on pbe and it is a fine one.
Also Tumble and Riven E are bugs, not intended interactions.
Dar Raksada7 votesBugs that have been there for a very long time though.
YOU BEEN WARNED1 votesYes, yes make him an anti mobility champion and nerf his insane amount of free stats which he destroys immobiles with.
This is perfect! Best Jarvan suggestion I've ever seen.
Feathermane1 votesMaking you use a movement ability is useful for Jarvan's team as well. Stop pretending like it's not.
SouL1ess2 votesVayne tumble: 2 second CD
???
Condemn Jarvan back into his own wall and her tumble is up again when the stun ends.
