New Patheon vs Old Pantheon

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New Patheon

  • Faster Clear, push lane better, but weaker against Range Champion now, like Teemo who he use to hard stomp on
  • Less damage especially with the new Q skill shot, and going for Q put you in danger zone because it now require you to get in melee range, and if you were trying to Q using it full max range it somehow reduce your damage which is worthless
  • Survivability is worst now, because you can't Block AA anymore, and Blocking with his E just ignore any Source of Damage for a few sec is pretty useless, and doing so reduce your movement
  • Ulted is way more predictable, the old one was predictable only because it took forever for him to Ult in, but it still give you opening to make plays and alot of people who play old Pantheon didn't know or use his Ult correctly either

The New Pantheon in general is just worst all around, they should have just done the "VISUAL UPDATE" for him, not a whole rework to make him trash.

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AIQ4 votes
  • Faster Clear, push lane better, but weaker against Range Champion now, like Teemo who he use to hard stomp on

This tells me that you do not use Empowered W a lot. Try using Q's only when empowered and make sure to only all in when your W+Passive are ready. You will see this match up change heavily into panths favor.

  • Less damage especially with the new Q skill shot, and going for Q put you in danger zone because it now require you to get in melee range, and if you were trying to Q using it full max range it somehow reduce your damage which is worthless

Debatable as I cannot test the old vs new. Long range Qs are for steady poke not winning lane. If the enemy is under tower Q's allow you to soften them up with clear weaknesses AKA chance to miss, before all inning. Max Q's in some scenarios are useless, but the amount of kills that barely get away that I've gotten with them make me very grateful Q is now a skill shot.

  • Survivability is worst now, because you can't Block AA anymore, and Blocking with his E just ignore any Source of Damage for a few sec is pretty useless, and doing so reduce your movement

No, You could do nothing about Syndra before, I blocked a full fed Lux combo of 2400 dmg + some extra help, there is no way anyone can convince me that the old passive makes him universally better at survival. You should only be using this to... well... block. If you are using this to chase or run, you are using it wrong.

  • Ulted is way more predictable, the old one was predictable only because it took forever for him to Ult in, but it still give you opening to make plays and alot of people who play old Pantheon didn't know or use his Ult correctly either

This is a huge difference in the Pantheons, ultimately I do like the older one for game play. But ATM no ultimate feels more epic then DS Pantheon. The delay is too long though giving players a lot of time to escape it.

The New Pantheon in general is just worst all around, they should have just done the "VISUAL UPDATE" for him, not a whole rework to make him trash.

False, winrate/playrate disagree with you too. His Q overall is flat out better. HIs W is just better, literally nothing lost, just more damage with passive. His E is different and while the DPS goes down, his survivalbility sky rockets. I really don't see how you can't see that blocking 100% of damage is a buff. An argument can be made about the ultimate. The passive over all provides more def and offense then before since the E's empowered move can block literally ALL incoming damage from a team in a team fight not just an AA or tower shot.

Old panth was simpler true, but not better. I'd happily trade his old passive and reliable Q for the range and fantastic E.

Vlada Cut1 votes

He's fun and not toxic to play anymore.

Tho his ultimate SHOULD be wider so he has higher chances of hitting people who are running sideways.

His empowered W is binded to % of his AD so he should have AD scaling on his W and have his empowered cahnneled Q reduced damage removed.

Keiaga1 votes

AIQ got it down and I agree with him pretty much 100%.

What he didn't touch on enough though is how annoying old pantheon was.

Hardcore early game champ with a point and click, undodgeable stun AND an undodgeable, strong poke? Even if he fell off at 20 minutes, it didn't leave a lot of options for his lane opponent for the first 15 minutes of the game unless they were someone equally as "strong-early/weak-late"

BestFioraEU1 votes

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New Patheon

  • Faster Clear, push lane better, but weaker against Range Champion now, like Teemo who he use to hard stomp on
  • Less damage especially with the new Q skill shot, and going for Q put you in danger zone because it now require you to get in melee range, and if you were trying to Q using it full max range it somehow reduce your damage which is worthless
  • Survivability is worst now, because you can't Block AA anymore, and Blocking with his E just ignore any Source of Damage for a few sec is pretty useless, and doing so reduce your movement
  • Ulted is way more predictable, the old one was predictable only because it took forever for him to Ult in, but it still give you opening to make plays and alot of people who play old Pantheon didn't know or use his Ult correctly either

The New Pantheon in general is just worst all around, they should have just done the "VISUAL UPDATE" for him, not a whole rework to make him trash.

So blocking one trillion damage is useless? Don't think it's useless tbh you're just washed up new pant also deals more damage since his Q is like a pyke R deals 500 more damge when u are low on hp or some shxt (Not really but you get my point of view)

Jamaree1 votes

In what world is blocking all damage worst then blocking two autos with a perfect rotation? What?

Ekhasm1 votes

Kind of agree. His passive was a lot better

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