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I hope you don't keep those Lissandra's nerfs on PBE

Lucian Waifu·8/24/2016, 4:15:22 PM·3 votes·442 views
8/23 PBE Update

I main Lissandra mid, around 500 games ranked with her, and I can tell you right now that raising her Q's mana cost is just down right dumb. The lowering of her HP I can understand to an extent but isn't necessary because she has to get very close for her kit to work. Raising her Q's mana cost to 95 on an already very weak spell is crazy! Her Q does 70/100/130/160/190 + (65% AP) and is her ONLY spell to clear minion waves without putting herself in too much danger, since it's range is only 725 before hitting an enemy. For comparison to other mid laner's spammable spells: Syndra's Q is 50/95/140/185/230 + (75% AP) with 40/50/60/70/80 mana cost, Annie Q's is 80/115/150/185/220 + (80% AP) with 60/65/70/75/80 mana cost and it gets refunded for killing an enemy, Orianna's Q is 60/90/120/150/180 + (50% AP) with 30/35/40/45/50 mana cost but she can zone just with her ball being in the middle of the lane and she always combos with Q/W or Q/E, Ryze's Q is 60/85/110/135/160/185 + (45% AP) with 40 mana cost. There are even more examples but basically except for Orianna's Q, Lissandra's Q does the lowest damage of all the spammable mid laner spells and costs the highest except for Xerath, and his range easily protects him.

Even at 85 mana I find that she goes oom very quickly before catalyst and that her poke is unreliable against any competent mid laner. You have to all-in or Q through a wave and all the enemy has to do is move to the side of a wave to dodge it, which makes her easy to damage for any bully champ already. Also even when you all-in she usually needs help from a teammate to secure a kill, even with her ignite, because her entire kit is sacrifices damage for CC. Finally her win rate is only 48.99% mid and 48.92% top so I fail to see why she would need nerfs for any reason.

8 Comments

Handy Sandy 8/24/2016, 4:22:04 PM2 votes

That makes her passive usable, most of the time when I see Lissandra mains they have crazy sustain because of the passive.

Lucian Waifu8/24/2016, 4:53:52 PM1 votes

Her Q only slows the first enemy hits so it lowers Lissandra's passive by one second, the real way to lower her passive's cd is by using her w on a minion wave, but she has to get in the middle of the wave to hit all 6 and even to just hit three she has to get closer than auto attack range and then her w will be down for a long time, it's cd is 14/13/12/11/10. The problem is that Lissandra has problems until she gets her catalyst then she has no problems, and this change won't solve that, it will only make her Q ridiculously high costing for poke that can easily be dodged. Just stand on either side of the minion wave to make it hard for Lissandra to poke you.

Treune818/24/2016, 5:05:02 PM1 votes

Her nerfs will stay.Because she is op at competitive.

Lucian Waifu8/24/2016, 5:28:07 PM1 votes

Unless you play a short ranged mid champion Lissandra will have problems, especially if you shove her early. Her Q is needed to clear waves fast because her w is so low damage and is mainly used for rooting. She is also not op at competitive, not even close compared to the champs they are playing now, her main niche is beating assassins and they aren't the meta right now.