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Lyless··2 votes·794 views

You can't tell someone to do this or that and you will get better. My situation is win now or never. That's where I am at. I can't afford to lose any games. Max for any is 13. Even after I halfed my win/loss total this stupid and bias system still doesn't give me credit. I could go 8-2 for the say and those two losses would count for about 4 of my wins. Unfair system right there. That's crap. Afks are not taken into account, the fact I have 4 bums around me isn't taken into account. Nothing is. Even when I lose and play well nothing is taken into account. I had my 3rd promo game stolen from me/ I didn't even get a chance to play it. But everyone trusts and believes in this crappy system who makes stupid patches for no reason, who gets rid of devovuer something I used heavily, who pairs me with the worse teammates possible on purpose even tho I have proven I am above them, but they still do it out of spite.

I should be in B3 right now, I earned it and this game took it away from me. 3 game promo. Won 1, loss 1. And the game just forgot about the third and then took some of my points away. This game is bias and trash.

29 Comments

DrCyanide9 votes

who gets rid of devovuer something I used heavily

You struggled to even get that thing sated in 30 minutes, Riot honestly did you a favor by removing it.

who pairs me with the worse teammates possible on purpose even tho I have proven I am above them, but they still do it out of spite.

Automated systems don't have spite.

Lyless1 votes

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You struggled to even get that thing sated in 30 minutes, Riot honestly did you a favor by removing it.

Automated systems don't have spite.

Quit going by old info troll.

If going 15-5 an average of 15 and 5 2 days for about 2 and half weeks isn't enough. Then it's something wrong with game. And I am getting cheated out promo games I should be in B3 right now. Instead I am playing bums and losers who are dragging me down and putting me behind with feeding.

Deep Terror Nami8 votes

You're spending far too much time insulting anyone that speaks to you. People have tried helping but you spit in their face and blame your losses on them and don't even make an effort to continue. You can't just take a piece of advice for a couple matches and decide it's no good when you lose. You have to improve your play and continue using those improvements always in all your matches, and keep adding more improvements. There is no "do this one thing and you win", but that's what you're looking for.

Lyless1 votes

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You're spending far too much time insulting anyone that speaks to you. People have tried helping but you spit in their face and blame your losses on them and don't even make an effort to continue. You can't just take a piece of advice for a couple matches and decide it's no good when you lose. You have to improve your play and continue using those improvements always in all your matches, and keep adding more improvements. There is no "do this one thing and you win", but that's what you're looking for.

I should be in B3 right now, this system robbed me out of promo 3rd match. No matter what I do this system screws me. I have halfed that win loss record but you don't say a damn thing about that. You just harp on about old crap, stuff I have already corrected. I am in mode where I can't lose anymore matches.

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

So if I check your match history right now you'll have started using reliable builds and using wards?

Lyless1 votes

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So if I check your match history right now you'll have started using reliable builds and using wards?

my ww build is solid and proven.

FHMarshy3 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/matches/userName=lyless

Latest game. 1-8-1. 82 cs in 25 minutes solo lane. 1 ward placed

VasilisGreen2 votes

by B3 you mean BRONZE 3? you are making all this fuzz for one division in BRONZE? Are you serious? Also, your english are so bad, i can barely understand what you say.

DrCyanide2 votes

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Quit going by old info troll.

FYI, your average Sated time for the latest 12 games you got Sated was 29:22. My ballpark guess was pretty accurate.

I'm not trolling you, I'm trying to help you understand what I've seen in far too many of my own games: too many players in Bronze/Silver didn't know how to get sated in a timely manner. Around 20 minutes is acceptable and normal for players who know what they're doing, 30 was far too long.

Lyless1 votes

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FYI, your average Sated time for the latest 12 games you got Sated was 29:22. My ballpark guess was pretty accurate.

I'm not trolling you, I'm trying to help you understand what I've seen in far too many of my own games: too many players in Bronze/Silver didn't know how to get sated in a timely manner. Around 20 minutes is acceptable and normal for players who know what they're doing, 30 was far too long.

you cannot get sated anymore.

DrCyanide2 votes

Yes, I know. I was saying for the last 12 games where you could get Sated and did, that's your average time getting it.

LiveYiOrDieHard5 votes

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My situation is win now or never. That's where I am at. I can't afford to lose any games. Max for any is 13. Even after I halfed my win/loss total this stupid and bias system still doesn't give me credit.

How is it you still don't understand the ranked system when people have tried beating it into your head so many times? You haven't even gotten out of bronze 5 MMR yet. The only reason the LP system says you're bronze 4 is because it's trying to make you feel good about ranked so you continue playing it.

jaymc11301 votes

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How is it you still don't understand the ranked system when people have tried beating it into your head so many times? You haven't even gotten out of bronze 5 MMR yet. The only reason the LP system says you're bronze 4 is because it's trying to make you feel good about ranked so you continue playing it.

Oh man, people try to crucify you for days on end and here we have a clear cut example of the exact opposite thing: a player with an improperly displayed ranking that has him ranked higher than he deserves.

Not a single person bats an eyelash.

Lmao. LETS ALL GANG BANG YI!!!! HES TOTES RUINING THE GAME!!! LETS IGNORE THAT WHEN THE OPPOSITE THING HAPPENS WE DON'T CARE AT ALL BECAUSE IT HELPS US BAD PLAYERS GET SOMETHING WE WANT THAT WE DONT EVER DESERVE TO ACHIEVE!!! GET YI!!!!! ZOMG!!!

Jesus...

Some people have zero sense.

Kuiper Cliff3 votes

I would like to start by pointing out that there are very good reasons for your struggles, ones that make complete sense which are easily overcome once you understand them.

Lets start with how the game deals with lp gain and your ranking. You report having small lp gains and great losses, the system is designed to try and find your average skill level, visually it does this by tilting your lp gains/losses after games moving you through the visible ranking system. "But how does the system decide this?" you might ask. I'll tell you! Each player is assigned an MMR score which is hidden to you and is basically a calculation of your overall skill based on every game you have played in this specific que. If your MMR is above average for your league your lp gains will be large, and losses small in order to float you up to you your appropriate division(where your MMR is sitting at about average compared to other in your division). It also works in the opposite direction, if your MMR is below average you will experience small lp gains and large losses like you claim to be having. I checked your estimated MMR on na.gg.op and it turns out that you currently have a well below average MMR for the division you are in (almost a 100 point gap). Until you have played enough games to raise this number you will not experience movement in the upward direction. The great news is if you continue to win this will change quickly!

In fact in the last 20 games you have a 70% winrate, so you clearly are doing well(or have been). The reason then for your numbers to be so low is because your overall winrate for all games in ranked que is sitting at 48% a massive difference! You will need to bring this number as well. (Also fairly straight-forward!)

As for your lost promo game, you should put in a support ticket as opposed to rage here. If this actually happened then you should let them know so they can investigate, and fix whatever is wrong otherwise is will never be fixed and unhappy people (much like yourself) will simply let yourself live with what is an imperfect but ever evolving system.

I hope this helps you!

FHMarshy3 votes

Trust me, my friend. We have ALL tried to reason with him. If you just check his other threads you will understand what i mean.

Let's see if you manage to create a miracle here.

Lyless1 votes

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Trust me, my friend. We have ALL tried to reason with him. If you just check his other threads you will understand what i mean.

Let's see if you manage to create a miracle here.

Other threads are old news, you have yet to realize things have changed.

F0zzyBear2 votes

I want you to know Lyless, that everyday I come to read the boards and listen to you be salty about League. If you're upset about it this much, just stop playing. It's not fair for you to be this upset over it. Something about your unwarranted complaints makes me more kind towards other players.

Lyless1 votes

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I want you to know Lyless, that everyday I come to read the boards and listen to you be salty about League. If you're upset about it this much, just stop playing. It's not fair for you to be this upset over it. Something about your unwarranted complaints makes me more kind towards other players.

Unwarranted. Getting screwed out of a promo game is not unwarranted! And don't tell me what to do!

F0zzyBear1 votes

98% you do this just as a joke, and like I said, I come everyday to watch with my popcorn. :P

Kitty Whiskers2 votes

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Unwarranted. Getting screwed out of a promo game is not unwarranted! And don't tell me what to do!

Lyless i explained to this to you once already and ill do it again. You won a game that put you into promo's however you lost another won another and lost another. So the result was you lost 2. You thought you were in promos with the first game but you were not. You were actually just getting to them.

Lyless1 votes

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Lyless i explained to this to you once already and ill do it again. You won a game that put you into promo's however you lost another won another and lost another. So the result was you lost 2. You thought you were in promos with the first game but you were not. You were actually just getting to them.

I never loss two games. I won the first and loss the second. One Green Check and one Red check! With a space left for the next game. That's it. And this why we are no longer friends. I don't need people who don't believe in me or just don't believe me.

Lyless1 votes

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Lyless i explained to this to you once already and ill do it again. You won a game that put you into promo's however you lost another won another and lost another. So the result was you lost 2. You thought you were in promos with the first game but you were not. You were actually just getting to them.

u never need to talk to me again. You aren't that good to be giving advice.

PDE5 Inhib2 votes

LOL

Colgate Gator1 votes

Ah, you're still complaining about losing more LP than you win because you have a sub 50% winrate?

Lyless1 votes

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Ah, you're still complaining about losing more LP than you win because you have a sub 50% winrate?

I am going 15 out of 20 every 2 days, any good system would take that into account. But this system is trash and robs u out of promo games which is my main point!

jaymc11301 votes

Kiddo, listen. You want to see that trend for your ranked matches stop? I'll break it down REAL simple for you. A step by step process.

Step One: Start ignoring the League System. It doesn't do a damn thing. (Promos? Ignore em. LP gains? Ignore em. Displayed ranking? Ignore it) The only thing that matters is MMR. MMR is the only thing that determines your rank. Nothing else. You want a higher rank, acquire more MMR.

Step Two: Get your win rate to 50%. MMR is determined by your win rate. A higher win rate increases your MMR. Winning more games increases your win rate.

Step Three: Win more games. That's it. This is the last step. Just go win more games. Literally nothing else matters. Win more games than you lose. All your problems are solved. Go win more games.

Follow all three steps. Come talk to me in a month.

Jac2hip1 votes

Dude are you serious? XD. It's possible to climb ELO if you're nice to your teammates and don't flame, flaming just makes it worse... Just be nice and not suck man.. The game isn't trash when you aren't on tilt.. If you are in bronze, you need to find a way out.. This is probably going to be by warding and hard carrying games. This is coming from a silver player, im not that good, but I've been in your shoes, I've also slightly climbed a little ways out of it.. The game isn't bugged in this way.. You just need to play a nice and dandy carry role. Maybe try another role also.. Maybe your main role isn't your best right now.. Discover things about yourself.. The goal is to have fun, not to join the LCS most of the time. (Although that would be fun ;)

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

Checking your stats again, you ARE improving some. The problem is you're still focusing too much on the the rank you're at (currently B4). You need to ignore that completely. Your MMR has been improving lately because your recent winrate is above 50%; all you need to do is keep going, and your MMR will climb above your current rank so you can start gaining reasonable amounts of LP.

Ward more, farm more efficiently, and you WILL climb.

Lyless1 votes

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Checking your stats again, you ARE improving some. The problem is you're still focusing too much on the the rank you're at (currently B4). You need to ignore that completely. Your MMR has been improving lately because your recent winrate is above 50%; all you need to do is keep going, and your MMR will climb above your current rank so you can start gaining reasonable amounts of LP.

Ward more, farm more efficiently, and you WILL climb.

you have been proven wrong. I am getting the absolute worse teammates. They never engage in a fight, when the enemy comes mid they back at all times and leave me and my duo as well. I cannot climb when 3 teammates actively attempt to lose the game.

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