Xerath in the bot lane as support?

SheSleepsAllDayY·Sep 25, 2017·1 votes·1,833 views

Let me just stand way in the back with my low cooldowns and poke your adcs half health bar with an easy as fuckk skill shot, stun any one who comes thru the jungle and slow them with my aoe damage.

11 Comments

PhantomGGSep 25, 20171 votes

ideally anyone with cc and poke can work as a support, ahri, lissandra, syndra, the best three being brand,vel koz and lux, but the reason u don't do it is for it's simply better to have them in the mid so they can carry you.

HalcyonDwellerSep 25, 20171 votes

There are significant trade-offs for that. Xerath requires levels to increase his base damage, and his poke is not that strong early on without those levels or a significant amount of AP.

Just a suggestion for counterplay: Standing behind minions will force him to push the lane to you if he wants to poke, giving you more influence over the lane overall and making the opposing laners weaker to ganks.

SheSleepsAllDayYSep 25, 20171 votes

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There are significant trade-offs for that. Xerath requires levels to increase his base damage, and his poke is not that strong early on without those levels or a significant amount of AP.

Just a suggestion for counterplay: Standing behind minions will force him to push the lane to you if he wants to poke, giving you more influence over the lane overall and making the opposing laners weaker to ganks.

These are all great suggestions but they work on the macro scale. If youre in low elo it doesnt work because your jungler is off picking his anus and you cant farm as an adc.

HalcyonDwellerSep 25, 20171 votes

Then you stand behind minions, force him to push, and then farm under tower. Are you familiar with the tricks to last-hitting under tower?

SheSleepsAllDayYSep 26, 20171 votes

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Then you stand behind minions, force him to push, and then farm under tower. Are you familiar with the tricks to last-hitting under tower?

Im working on it, I think the mele minions are 2 tower shots then you last hit, and caster minions idk.

HalcyonDwellerSep 26, 20171 votes

Then you are well on your way. Once you have that down, you just let them take the tower and then you can freeze the lane near your second turret. They will have a much harder time harassing you there.

Casters are usually 1 tower shot + 2 auto-attacks, depending on their health as they get pushed under tower. So with casters you have to prepare them with 1 auto before the tower hits them (if they are full health of course) because your attack speed won't let you hit them twice after the tower hits them the first time.

Here's a playlist by SoloRenektonOnly who knows a great deal about minion wave management. He shows us how to manage waves, time our management actions, and prepare last hits under tower, as well as set up lane freezes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQz3yU5tzJ0&list=PLzHaU28zdQ4GAMfVf_aASyiB4dheLsONx

UnboundHadesSep 25, 20171 votes

the the problem with xerath bot is if u miss e into any champs with engage u gonna die its not just spam, xerath is in a pretty shit spot due to mobility creep

PhantomGGSep 25, 20171 votes

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the the problem with xerath bot is if u miss e into any champs with engage u gonna die its not just spam, xerath is in a pretty shit spot due to mobility creep

Xerath has always been very poor in design tbh, even riot publicly admits they have no clue how to fix him, thankfuly none of the xerath mains are complaining.

DrCyanideSep 25, 20171 votes

He's got very clear weaknesses and very clear strengths, which is more than some champions can say. Most of the mains find ways to work around the weaknesses and exploit* his strengths. I think he's lacking some skill expression, but otherwise fine to main.

######*pun may or may not be intended

UnboundHadesSep 25, 20171 votes

well the thing with xerath is if the support is smart enough to build a item 3800 then your useless since you have to way to escape, i like to compare vel and xerath since they are both long range mages but vel can do more if someone charges at him and just provides more damage and cc while be safer so theres never a point you should play xerath over vel if you need an artillery mage but i love xerath so i gotta deal with getting fed then dieing to being ran at

Sir FuzziSep 25, 20171 votes

As soon as something engages that duo of ADC/Supp!Xerath, they just have to cry and run and hope Xerath stuns something. Meanwhile, once lane phase is over Xerath is just as squishy as he's always been. He's not like Brand either, who puts you out if you're near teammates, so he's really low-risk to face.

If I saw someone doing a Xerath support, I'd probably run a Leona or a Nautilus, something that forces the fight down the enemy's throat. Meanwhile, I'd keep my ADC on point to stay behind me and let me body block stuns and be the target for q/w/r. Of course, because they lack a tank element, I can just force myself to be the survival of my lane, force the fight onto the Xerath/ADC, and pave it for my ADC. If I die a couple times so be it; if we push Xerath down three or four deaths as a support he's fucked. Royally.

Mage supports are cool but if they fall behind... hoooo boy, is that some dead weight. Brand commands AoE and Malzahar has his 'u ded' button, but Xerath is a lot more conventional.

I'd be more scared if you said Ahri. Not as bad on the poke but try engaging into her Charm beside a Caitlyn or so...