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Since ARAM Changes Are Coming Soon

Hex Veiler·5/29/2018, 1:54:36 AM·14 votes·8,132 views

Would it be possible to change how works? It provides an unremoveable true sight effect around the user that lasts for 5 minutes. It was changed to this because the old items were just a required waste of an item slot. While oracles does solve the item slot problem, just having it renders almost all stealth and trap abilities completely useless. (Akali W, Shaco Q/E, Teemo P/R, etc.) It creates a situation where you either don't buy it and and get killed or you buy it and, in some cases, basically remove a champion from the enemy team. I know that last statement is a bit of an exaggeration, but its just that the whole "buy or lose" dynamic it creates isn't really fun for anyone involved.

I feel like a decent solution to this problem would be to go back to the item slot-based approach and add items like where the true vision is for a short duration and is also has a decent length cooldown. This allows stealth champions to actually function while still giving enemies a way to play against it.

tl;dr - remove oracles, i have a years worth of salt built up over aram, and i want to enjoy playing teemo and ap shaco again

22 Comments

redniwediS5/29/2018, 1:56:28 AM8 votes

Remove? Maybe not, but it probably shouldn't give true sight anymore. Seeing traps is a requirement, but maybe it should have less of an effect on invisible champions.

SociopathFriend5/29/2018, 5:43:12 AM5 votes

I'd rather they not? It's already an enormous pain in the ass that I effectively can't see invisible champions on the rift and the only counterplay is "have oracle trinket" or you're screwed. And even if you do have it- you can't always interact with the red outline you see running right towards the carry.

I'd rather stealth be too weak than too strong. Especially in regards to melees trying to clear Shaco boxes.

Veien om mol5/29/2018, 11:43:01 AM3 votes

Your enemies can see the traps. Useless ability now. Teemo is so weak with his 59% win rate, with AP build being the most popular/winning build

It Hertz When IP5/29/2018, 7:58:39 AM3 votes

You can still use Teemo's shrooms by tossing them into waves for waveclear. It's not optimal, but it's something.

What about making it a boots item? Upgrade from Boots of Speed, grants <some universal stat like health>, along with an active that reveals all invisible units within X range of you for like a second or two. Make the cooldown whatever you want.

Morticianjohn5/29/2018, 7:45:37 AM3 votes

Teemo is still very good with the existence of oracle's. If you have a weakened version of that then he becomes OP.

ƒrostγ5/29/2018, 12:01:57 PM2 votes

Oracles is fine as it is. Champs like Teemo are annoying already even with this counterplay.

Dead flag blues5/29/2018, 3:15:25 PM2 votes

Yes agreed. Shaco becomes utterly useless if the enemy team buys it, even AD (bruiser or assassin build) fuck him up since his Q is basically a flash-in, and he can't do anything else aside of walking up to enemies and killing them.

Scuffproof5/29/2018, 5:43:47 PM1 votes

Nerf Teemo Shrooms on ARAM, remove Oracles, EZ. Teemo is the only reason why that item was added in the first place, any other champion with some sort of stealth mechanic is perfectly fine if not underpowered on that map.

Joeyruler5/29/2018, 6:53:17 PM1 votes

Hmm honestly it could use a nerf but removal, thats a little too much but I can see why your saying that. It can be a little of pain trying to hide as Teemo and boom your reveal.

cocacolalips5/29/2018, 8:29:49 PM1 votes

Teemo mushrooms and Shaco boxes are maybe 2 of the most unhealthy spells in the entire game, spammable global non-interactive invisible objects that clutter the entire screen that you can't do anything about but step on and take on bazillion damage from on top of being slowed/feared is really bad for PvP, it's really frustrating and creates no gameplay bare "hoping there is nothing there".

If you have played Crystal Scar (Ascension, Dominion..) you should know how unfun the game is when either one is in the game, the whole mechanic is way too intrusive and takes over the entire game on its own, you are no longer playing a 5V5 game, you are playing a 5V4+teemo/shaco and the entire game will revolve around them and how you have to buy one bazillion oracles, rush mercury treads, never stick together, never chase, avoid bushes, intersections etc...

With that in mind, something such as oracle is a necessity to combat those champions, removing oracle isn't an option as long as those spells are the way they are.

What imo would be interesting however would be to keep oracle but change its effect to reveal invisible objects only, as opposed to everything. Assassins like Akali, Khazix, Talon etc got updated one year and half ago with the new SR vision system in mind and oracle is no longer available on SR and those champions are balanced that way, when they can use their invisibility effectively. Oracle still being available on other maps is really unfair to those champions who can't use their spells at all.

Bisaknosp5/29/2018, 10:06:27 PM1 votes

lol it would break teemo and shaco and make them more broken than sona in aram you are a special kind of stupid

Raven Redeemed5/29/2018, 6:06:29 AM1 votes

Yeah it probably shouldn't reveal champs. The true vision on summoner 32 irks me more. Half the team has it, and it's on a low cd.

p a t r i o t5/29/2018, 7:51:22 AM1 votes

They should just add sweepers so that theres actually something for both sides to play around rather than every stealth champion being dead weight.

PermaJinxed5/29/2018, 2:04:04 PM1 votes

Oracle's doesn't counter Evelynn or Twitch as their camo detection radius is greater than the Oracle's sight range.

I'd also say even if Oracle's sucks to play into as Teemo or Shaco or such, it's still costing your enemies gold every time they get it. So it becomes a tax that means your team has more combat effective gold on an even playing field.

I do think the duration could be lowered just a bit though. It does seem excessive (I average 2-3 a match against stealth champs)

Saianna5/29/2018, 2:56:05 PM1 votes

were just a required waste of an item slot.

... I'm speechless.

Pika Fox5/29/2018, 2:58:56 PM1 votes

I dont agree it needs to be changed, but if it does your suggestion isnt that great.

Fact is trap champs are too good if theyre allowed to function at all. Even with oracles, teemo still has a good chance at winning. I cant tell you how many fucking times i or someone else clicks to auto a shroom, and we just walk ontop of it or someone else just does the same.

iPooUnicorns5/29/2018, 3:07:29 PM1 votes

It should really just be changed to not reveal stealthed champions, it's in the game mode to counter traps, not stealth champions.