Soooooo what just happened?

EvilRabbitt·Jul 16, 2015·2 votes·1,155 views

I was totally debating making a friendly thread on Fiora- where she stood, how to play her, what items would work, and why I think her ultimate should be replaced with something more useful than https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo -Mc Hammer's "Can't Touch This"-.

Then I played her into Tahm Kench and now I've got to know. How is it balanced that a guy who builds 100% tank, is able to assassinate me faster than I can assassinate anyone on his team? And I don't mean like over 4 to 5 seconds. I mean in 1 to 2. He would do his triple love tap then eat, spit, and auto. Poof, I'm dead. Meanwhile I could duel Kha for 5 to 6 seconds (and win because lifesteal+on-hit) who had built lots of tank as well. Are they going to at least decide its strong enough to warrant they remove that toolfact where when he spits out enemy champion, it takes 20-25% of their hp and stuns them on exit? That seems over the top.... Or maybe, someone could tell me how to build or play around this guy? My build, before someone says build tankier, is set to let me out duel volibear (no joke, I will out sustain volibear) and assasinate as fast as LeBlanc- granted one stun and im dead, but you get the point. How on earth am I supposed to 1v1 this guy? Especially since Fiora is supposed to be the BEST champion at 1v1s? I'm so lost.

For reference (http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Tahm_Kench)

Regurgitate RANGE: 650

Active: Tahm Kench regurgitates the swallowed target, dealing magic damage if they are an enemy. This damage is capped against monsters.

「 Magic Damage: 20 / 23 / 26 / 29 / 32% (+ 2% per 100 AP) of target's maximum health 」

Minions and monsters will be spat forward, stopping if they hit an enemy or terrain and dealing magic damage to all enemies in an area before taking Regurgitate's damage.

Projectile Damage: 100 / 150 / 200 / 250 / 300 (+ 60% AP)

Allied champions will be spat forward, stopping if they hit an enemy or terrain, while enemy champions will be regurgitated at Tahm Kench's feet.

「 Magic Damage: 20 / 23 / 26 / 29 / 32% (+ 2% per 100 AP) of target's maximum health 」「 Magic Damage: 20 / 23 / 26 / 29 / 32% (+ 2% per 100 AP) of target's maximum health 」「 Magic Damage: 20 / 23 / 26 / 29 / 32% (+ 2% per 100 AP) of target's maximum health 」「 Magic Damage: 20 / 23 / 26 / 29 / 32% (+ 2% per 100 AP) of target's maximum health 」「 Magic Damage: 20 / 23 / 26 / 29 / 32% (+ 2% per 100 AP) of target's maximum health 」 What? Yes, I'm freaking out because I lost. But read the context. The god of 1v1s, lost to a full tank. With a build that lets her solo tanks anyway. She lost to him, not because he out-sustained/played/leveled. No, he would auto twice, use his sticky tongue thing to eat me, then spit me out and I went from 75-10% of my hp.

Due to her fairly considerable weaknesses, she adheres more to a rock-paper-scissors dynamic in 1v1 situations. You generally win 1v1s if you make tactically sound plays rather than just brute-forcing with her.

Also - from your match history I'm seeing a lot of item 3153

combos. Really solid combo for isolated (drawn-out) 1v1s against lightly armored foes you can auto-attack to death, love that combo in Dominion. Full melee ADC.

That item combo is hard-countered by armor though.

%Max HP as physical damage? Is physical damage. Just like flat AD - you're going to do 8% of a squishie's HP and ~4% of a tanks, armor hits it hard. 10% life steal on 200 damage vs. 0 armor? 20 HP restored per hit. vs. 100 armor (50% DR)? 10 HP restored per hit. armor hits life steal hard. 20 armor penetration vs. 20 armor? You're dealing TRUE DAMAGE! 20 armor penetration vs. 200 armor? you're...you're not. That's a case of 20% more damage vs. a hair over ~7% more damage.

And yes - flat armor penetration being hard-countered by armor is really derppy. %armor pen has the opposite interaction - 100% useless vs. 0 armor, super-useful vs. 200 armor. Flat pen can also become useful vs. tanks after a solid chunk of %armor pen, but is useless prior.

aren't items 2 and 3, you're going to have issues with even lightly armored foes like Karthus

, let alone an actual tank.

This is due in part to Fiora being quite possibly the weakest champion in the game to armor.

She's all physical auto-attack, so item 3075

As a melee, there's also: item 3068

And due to a channeled ultimate that needs a target: item 3157

Not to mention most champions utilize some means of Defense, Mobility, or Range to survive long enough to do their job. Fiora's forward mobility is excellent at negating hostile range and mobility - but with no backwards mobility, it's completely useless at extending Fiora's lifespan vs. raw defense. You can't hit-and-run, you just place yourself where your opponent wants. And her ult duration accounts for a much lower advantage vs. a tanky-champion capable of weathering the storm than a squishy she can possibly OHKO.

If you want to kill a squishy in no time with your QWER and are having issues with tanks, don't build to auto-attack things over a prolonged period of time.

Build %Armor Pen so you're combo scales to OHKO squishies, and so you can deal with tanks.

Anyways - %armor pen for items 2 and 3 in Rift.

Average game only sees ~11k gold per player, lasts 33 minutes long, and works out to 3 major ~3k items, ~1k in boots, and ~1k in the bank when a Nexus explodes, which makes you're first 3 items really, really important.

Should have minimal issues with the catfish with %armor pen.

Soooooo what just happened?

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Tahm landing kills faster than you is playstyle or itemization, not Tahm being overloaded.

Due to her fairly considerable weaknesses, she adheres more to a rock-paper-scissors dynamic in 1v1 situations. You generally win 1v1s if you make tactically sound plays rather than just brute-forcing with her.

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