What was Daisy intention as a pet?

Redaga·Oct 13, 2016·3 votes·2,133 views

She lacks any resemblance of AI what so ever. and she cant even hang around after Ivern dies.

If you go full AP to help Daisy stats, you just get focused and bursted, and Daisy leaves. If you go tank. the AP ratios is so low Daisy receives not Buff and gets melted by the enemy

Tibbers at least has its burst on summon + stun + stays after dies and goes full Berserk Maiden works on synergy with to increase his damage and Yorick on its own is a Tanky champ. so is not like you can just focus him.

on unrelated note can we have that Ivern E when casted on himself Stuns the enemies rather than slow em??

29 Comments

RiotMeddlerOct 13, 20168 votes

The goal with Daisy's to offer a pet that's much more about CC than damage, in contrast with others like Tibbers, the Maiden, Spiderlings etc. She might need some number tweaking to fufill that role properly, we're still getting a read on how she and Ivern will perform once they've got a decent amount of play.

In terms of AI she definitely needs some improvements. We're working on that for the next patch, depending on how much work's needed might be some changes in a subsequent patch as well.

RıvenOct 13, 20161 votes

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The goal with Daisy's to offer a pet that's much more about CC than damage, in contrast with others like Tibbers, the Maiden, Spiderlings etc. She might need some number tweaking to fufill that role properly, we're still getting a read on how she and Ivern will perform once they've got a decent amount of play.

In terms of AI she definitely needs some improvements. We're working on that for the next patch, depending on how much work's needed might be some changes in a subsequent patch as well.

Woah, a detailed response from Meddler. So ughhh any chance Graves can get his cigar back?

themachampOct 13, 20162 votes

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The goal with Daisy's to offer a pet that's much more about CC than damage, in contrast with others like Tibbers, the Maiden, Spiderlings etc. She might need some number tweaking to fufill that role properly, we're still getting a read on how she and Ivern will perform once they've got a decent amount of play.

In terms of AI she definitely needs some improvements. We're working on that for the next patch, depending on how much work's needed might be some changes in a subsequent patch as well.

I think she needs an attack speed increase too.......so many champs i have played against can just out run her and her shockwave never even procs. Least tibbers we can speed up. Or maybe a slow attached to her autos?

RedagaOct 13, 20163 votes

she is supposed to work on combo with the Q for gap closing. still yeah. after the initial summon speed. she is just too slow. this is why I thought E Stun would work better than an Slow.

Actually I have not tried it, but I think Daisy hits dont trigger item 3116 . if they do. that would be a giant step

SpecterVonBarenOct 13, 20162 votes

They do apply Rylais.

RedagaOct 14, 20161 votes

I know Tibers Applies, but Wiki says Daisy dont apply effects.. I might be wrong. will taste it later

ChalizardOct 13, 20161 votes

Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8.

Critmaster GarenOct 13, 20161 votes

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I think she needs an attack speed increase too.......so many champs i have played against can just out run her and her shockwave never even procs. Least tibbers we can speed up. Or maybe a slow attached to her autos?

you can actually apply attack speed buffs to her to icnrease the proc rate on her knockup.

nunus as buff works on daisy for example.

KillstradoOct 13, 20161 votes

Wow I didn't know that

SpecterVonBarenOct 13, 20161 votes

Does that work with item 3504 ?

Critmaster GarenOct 13, 20161 votes

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Does that work with ?

probably. would have to be tested. ive only seen it with working on the pbe with nunus attack speed buff so far. but if nunus buff works, i dont see a reason why other as buffs shouldnt work.

RedagaOct 13, 20162 votes

If the idea is to make her more about CC than a pure engage Damage like Tibber or Maiden. I understand it. I have had that 3 hits passive help to delay and enemy from escaping.

IMO as Daisy is supposed to be a sentient being. she just leaving with Ivern dies still presents the problem that as good as Daisy CC might be. still not of much use when enemy champs can just Burst Ivern. and you have to stick close cause if you loose vision from Ivern. Daisy disengages. so more than buffing Daisy. just fixing her AI and making Ivers a little more resistant would be better.

I do enjoy playing Ivern with his passive tho, but having to build almost pure tank is the safest route that have worked for me so far http://imgur.com/a/YuDt6

La BelloOct 13, 20161 votes

Honest question here Meddle's

why not just give all pets global leash range?

Wouldn't that solve a VERY large portion of their clunky problems with very minimal consequence ? How come Mordekaiser has Global leash range but no one else?

RedagaOct 13, 20161 votes

On related matter. if smite buff are removed. then will this means Ivern FotF costs might change too? Right now. getting Red Smite health back and Blue Smite mana back is a must requirement to be able to make a full camps clear without need to recall.

RiotMeddlerOct 13, 20164 votes

He might need some adjustments, we've been testing him quite a bit with the jungle changes though and looks pretty good overall. Smite giving some healing on all monsters does a lot to make up the health difference for one thing. Will need to keep an eye on mana for him though certainly.

Malicious MetalOct 13, 20162 votes

On the topic of AI's. You may want to revisit Morde's, the thing became even clunkier and unresponsive :I

ABlueQuakerOct 13, 20162 votes

Her aggro resets every 2 seconds and she walks all the way back to Ivern. It should be as simple as Alt+Clicking the desired target until they either die or you Alt+Click another target.

SpecterVonBarenOct 13, 20162 votes

Just don't buff him, please! I'm a support main and I love Ivern and I know that the reason so many people are bad at him is because of him being a support and them wanting to just kill everyone and being shocked when Ivern doesn't do that. You need to at the LEAST wait until the pros start playing around with him because I can guarantee that they're going to get him nerfed into the ground.

RedagaOct 14, 20161 votes

remember he is also intended as a Jungle and as such. he should at least be able to 1 vs 1 cause invasion of counter jungling. a little buff might be good. but nothing to make him a carry

SpecterVonBarenOct 14, 20161 votes

He can fight 1v1, he's actually a lot more capable of defending himself than you realize.

RedagaOct 14, 20162 votes

he is good at keeping himself alive but pure 1 vs 1 is really an skill match up... where the enemy should make many mistakes. early game Ivern lacks both punch and beef. specially after using FotF

OleandervineOct 13, 20162 votes

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The goal with Daisy's to offer a pet that's much more about CC than damage, in contrast with others like Tibbers, the Maiden, Spiderlings etc. She might need some number tweaking to fufill that role properly, we're still getting a read on how she and Ivern will perform once they've got a decent amount of play.

In terms of AI she definitely needs some improvements. We're working on that for the next patch, depending on how much work's needed might be some changes in a subsequent patch as well.

Can you also have your team work on her animations? Everything in the story and tool tips talk about her loving hugs, but her attack animation is just a bash, nothing resembling a hug. Maybe change it so she swings both fists inward in a hugging fashion, similar to Malphite's W attack animation.

AmetDeCryptOct 13, 20164 votes

I'll admit daisy is stupid as hell even after the little ai tweaks they supposedly gave her.

KillstradoOct 13, 20163 votes

There hasn't been a patch since his release...why do you have the idea the ai has been tweaked

AmetDeCryptOct 14, 20161 votes

I read in one of the mini patch updates that they did something with it. pretty sure I did, anyway. it doesn't update the number but it does sometimes have a date attached to it.

HornypotsmokerOct 13, 20163 votes

Been playing a lot as the guy and Daisy is more then a little slow, she constantly resets on loss of vision and with Ivern summoning bushes she just stands around a lot during teamfights as everyone dodges in and out of the brush. Please let her face check it for me! I would actually love if Daisy "preferred" to hide in brush, it would play to his theme and help his kit.

Also if the enemy uses summoner 4 she just stands there like 20% of the time and its so sad :( just make her Maiden smart

RedagaOct 13, 20162 votes

thats why she need an AI. once you loose vision of a champ. she derps, same when a champs flash.

Actually would be really OP if Daisy give her own field of Vision, she can work as an Scout and dont loose a target.

TalisidOct 13, 20163 votes

IMO Daisy is really powerful when she can actually stick to somebody but that situation feels pretty difficult to achieve. Currently she mostly ends up just being a zoning tool, because people just run from her. That's not 'useless' per say but its not very satisfying.