Marksman changes...

Sproofless·Jun 16, 2018·8 votes·3,728 views

ADC stands for Attack Damage Carry, and we can all agree with that... BUT, with the recent changes on marksman went BONKERS with that role. you wanted adcs to have a lesser carry potential because this is a team game yet, sometimes, MAYBE even all the time, they can't carry their team to victory at all(as in the other lanes aren't doing bad but not good, more neutral than anything). EVEN PRO PLAY went ahead and put top laners in the adc role, and now everyone is playing other champions in that role...Its...not...fun...at...all, i love the adc role i may be biased but i make a strong statement that Your changes to the marksmans are ridiculous, your changes to infinity edge has to be dealt with, crit adcs are in a HORRIBLE spot and we were fine before and then out of nowhere you changed them and nerfed them HARD. The only exception are the ones not affected at all which isn't fair, kaisa is more ridiculous to face than before due to those hard nerfs. You HAVE TO do something about this, the direction your going isn't the direction that is good.

10 Comments

Troll for TrumpJun 17, 20186 votes

The problem is more that games are being decided too fast for ADCs too scale properly. The game needs to change, rather than marksman

Daddy AntsJun 17, 20181 votes

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The problem is more that games are being decided too fast for ADCs too scale properly. The game needs to change, rather than marksman

If they are not going to slow games down then Marksmen should get changes to be able to compete in these fast games.

Not everyone wants to play Ezreal Draven Jhin Lucian Kaisa MissFortune

Troll for TrumpJun 17, 20181 votes

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If they are not going to slow games down then Marksmen should get changes to be able to compete in these fast games.

Not everyone wants to play

Isn't that just going to perpetuate faster games?

RiceFarmer13Jun 17, 20186 votes

I can agree with that. I understand that ADCs shouldn't be able to decide the game in an instant but the adcs are horrible. After patch 8.10 or 8.11. all adcs have been awful and boring.

OtterlyLostJun 17, 20182 votes

They aren't changing or fixing ADCs. They said they'd buff them but the buffs their providing are honestly trash. I'm still more or less not playing the bot lane role until something is done.

Jerry SeinfeIdJun 17, 20181 votes

You main one of the best marksmen in the game RN why are you crying. Bruisers should be able to go bot, they should be able to compete against marksmen Because Master Yi is as much an ADC as Lucian is. and mages should be aviable choice too, they're APC afterall.

Games just don't last long enough.

Critmaster GarenJun 17, 20181 votes

technically anything that builds and scales with ad, and deals sustained damage is an attack damage carry. this would include champions like Darius MasterYi Irelia or Yasuo

thats why theyre called marksmen, and not adc.

and marksmen are not meant to be the only, or the main type of carry in this game. theyre just one of multiple groups of carries.

juggernauts, apc, skirmishers, marksmen are all just types of carries with different strengths and weaknesses.

you have to get used to the thought, that there is no "adc role". the marksman/support bot lane was just how the meta developed in season 1 and 2, staled out, and never changed since then.

but bot lane doesnt inherently "belong" to marksmen. if you look at literally any other position on the map, then every lane has a large and very diverse pool of champions. we had metas including marksmen in mid, jungle and top lane. so far, bot lane had been the exception that only one champion class was viable down there simply due to how opressive support/marksmen comps were against any other combination you could pick.

being able to play other champions than marksmen in bot lane with a support is exactly what the state of the game should be, and what riot intended with the recent changes.

thats not to say marksmen are not supposed to be viable as bot laners. you are still supposed to be able to play them when you want to, but they are not supposed to be mandatory to every teamcomp. no other class is 100% mandatory either.

maerordecaeloJun 17, 20181 votes

Marksmen were classified as ad CARRY because of critical items. No skirmisher nor juggernaut is able to do mdps as much as a full build marksmen used to do. And the reason marksmen were played in bot with a support was that their early game is weaker compared to any class. Bot lane BELONGS to marksmen and it is not even the meta. It is how the game works and trying to change that is simply taking an entire class' existing reason away from them. They better remove hyper carries from the game if the are not to fix this nonsense.

Critmaster GarenJun 17, 20181 votes

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Marksmen were classified as ad CARRY because of critical items. No skirmisher nor juggernaut is able to do mdps as much as a full build marksmen used to do. And the reason marksmen were played in bot with a support was that their early game is weaker compared to any class. Bot lane BELONGS to marksmen and it is not even the meta. It is how the game works and trying to change that is simply taking an entire class' existing reason away from them. They better remove hyper carries from the game if the are not to fix this nonsense.

so what about melee carrries who build critical stike items then?

just because marksmen are building crit, doesnt mean there arent other types of carries. and bot lane doesnt belong to marksmen. there is no reason why it should.

no other lane belongs to a particular class either.

NetorareJun 17, 20181 votes

Crit adcs would be balanced if the crit CHANCE would be capped at 40% or 50%, but most people have no idea what crit CHANCE means, crit is supposed to be RNG based but too bad u can easily get 100% crit chance and thats not fucking RNG at all.