Boards›Gameplay

@RiotMeddler Change Garen's Spin remove Crit and apply on-hit effects

King of Hearts11·9/6/2015, 6:33:41 PM·2 votes·2,434 views

A suggestion for Garen's spin

ACTIVE: Garen rapidly spins his sword around his body for 3 seconds, losing the ability to use basic attacks but ignoring unit collision and dealing physical damage「 in 5 / 6 / 7 / 8 / 9 / 10 spins 」 to enemies within range for the duration,

  • Base damage changed to 10 / 12 / 14 / 17 / 20 from 14 / 18 / 22 / 26 / 30 NERFED
  • increased by 33.3% when damaging a single enemy.** REMOVED**
  • Has the ability Critically Strike** REMOVED**
  • Applies on-hit effects now ADDED
  • Lifesteal on Multiple Targtes is only 33% effective ADDED
  • Devourer doesn't interact with Judgement ADDED

Discuss would this be a good change? I think so since it would remove his reliance on crit and allow him to benefit off items like Titanic Hydra which were intended to be used on him. Maybe additionally his base damage on spin could be lowered as well to compensate for on-hit effects like Botrk and Hydra since they would add considerable damage. It would allow him to scale off items and not levels.

Edit: please read, his Spin's isolation damage of 33% wouldn't be there on top of his base damage being lowered. It would mean people can no longer build him BC -> Full Tank because of his low base damage.

**Edit#2: **Base damage at level 18 lowered by 100 DPS.

30 Comments

Penns9/6/2015, 6:42:35 PM5 votes

So ok... He applies titanic hydra, refreshes statics, applies devourer, blade,... 10 times late game... on multiple targets at once? http://imgfave-chat-herokuapp-com.global.ssl.fastly.net/image_cache/1395980101127292_animate.gif :D

Paress9/6/2015, 6:39:06 PM2 votes

So you want to make Garen spin deals 10 times on-hit effects during 3 seconds ? Are you crazy or what ?

Adalore9/6/2015, 6:42:05 PM1 votes

You are aware that his E can crit already? They added that back in and it's on the tooltip.

King of Hearts119/6/2015, 6:56:47 PM1 votes

i am guessing no?

Ruin Lance9/6/2015, 7:21:37 PM1 votes

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL no. Frozen Mallet + Hydra + Shiv + BORK 1 shot the enemy team :D

50000000000000009/6/2015, 6:35:45 PM1 votes

The titanic AoE would be scary... Also, BoRK.

WarlockLaw9/9/2015, 12:20:20 AM1 votes

That would be more cancer than having the random crit Garen as is. The crit is almost never built for or optimized with, so it is largely unused power that is in his kit. If you just transfer this to on-hits his build would just become botrk full tank instead

redniwediS9/6/2015, 6:40:42 PM1 votes

Garen doesn't rely on crit right now, however being able to make use of one of the main AD stats while also being a caster has been a key part of him for a very long time. Another key part is Garen scaling well with levels, so a difficult machup does not necessarily put him completely behind come mid game. Scaling with items would make it too easy to put him permanently behind.

On top of this is the fact that having E apply on hit effects will quite simply put Garen ahead of Skarner in the race for who's the most broken champion, and will end with Garen receiving heavy nerfs elsewhere in his kit to make up the difference.

Just think about it with the lifesteal from old Hydra. You spin in a minion wave and everything explodes, with the spin hitting everything and everything creating an aoe of lifesteal and damage. This would be the single most broken thing to happen since Yorick decided to not care about respawn timers.