Please Remove Mordekaiser's xp passive

ACENOX··62 votes·3,719 views

It's just plain useless, late game i get +600 bonus xp when i'm lvl 13/14 as Botlane mordekaiser

Your idea of Botlane mordekaiser was good, but why did you give him such non-interactive thing? why did you nerf this xp passive to be useless which destroyed morde when you already nerfed his Q/R/W before?

his W alone would have made Botlane morde viable it used to not cost HP, healing way more (which made him able to lane against ranged champs), dealing more damage if you had an ally (before: Damage areas overlapping for double damage) .

Botlane mordekaiser was already unique since he was an ADC that could heal a support, he didn't need to be unique by having solo lane experience while being with someone else. XP passive just made people wanting to destroy him before he could get 2 or 3 more level than them, which wasn't always possible. Instead of waiting to outscale mordekaiser. XP passive also made people not wanting to pick melee champions against mordekaiser such as Jax Darius Because Morde would just ended up way way way ahead, while those kind of champs also need XP.

XP passive is now fucking terrible, and make you feel bad about having it. "better than nothing" wouldn't even work here since the xp passive si already nothing.

Solution: -remove the xp passive -revert some W nerfs, either the sustain nerf, or the damage nerf, which should be enough -if it isn't enough: Attack range reduced to 175 from 200 ----> reverted

What would this do: -Make Botlane morde great again -Make Botlane morde fun to play against, instead of "pushing, healing, and outlvling you" like we could see in World champion 2015, Morde would actually needs to fight to make use of his W, which gives counterplay especially since his third hit nuke bomb isn't totally a thing anymore. -Make other melee champs picked against Morde, without Morde giving them no chance.

thanks

[{quoted}](name=Death and Doom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OwXrPP8o,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-11-19T16:17:59.931+0000)

Hold on a second, this isnt such a great idea. You cannot remove a useless ,as you said, good for nothing skill and replace with actually good buffs. Sure, maybe w passive is useless and should be removed but you cannot use that as an excuse to buff mordekaiser. That is how to create unbalance.

imo morde is in a very balanced spot rn, good in the hands of those who know how t play him, bad in the hands of those that dont. Maybe a very very minor buff s in order to replace w passive (ex: base health scaling +5 or something) definitely not some major buffs for a worthless passive.

You can, because Morde had other nerfs while the xp passive should have been nerfed the first instead of nerfing other things.

you should buff him in Duo lane at least.

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Makes his W does x2 more damage if he uses a champ as an Ally

basically reverting the "overlapping" thing but just if you have a champ with you.

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Malicious Metal31 votes

Removing the passive for some minor changes could be something worth considering. Hell, Riot themselves said that they disliked hidden power and non interactive designs

GigglesO3 votes

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Removing the passive for some minor changes could be something worth considering. Hell, Riot themselves said that they disliked hidden power and non interactive designs

Remove the exp passive and give him 5 MS!

or

They could just let him fully self cast W without needing a teammate again.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

doesn't it work on minions? I'm pretty sure the point of the post wasn't to buff top lane morde

GigglesO1 votes

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doesn't it work on minions? I'm pretty sure the point of the post wasn't to buff top lane morde

It does work on minions, but that's the thing, he needs an out of lane buff, not another in lane buff.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

if youre fighting in the jungle aren't you prob with teammates

GigglesO1 votes

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if youre fighting in the jungle aren't you prob with teammates

Well, that is kind of why he needs it, sometimes hes just a little too far from his teammates.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

Morde has had a pretty good win rate for a while, idk if he needs anything. It's normal for champions to be stronger or weaker based on the situation. Ie yasuo is weaker without minions around to dash to, Illaoi is vulnerable away from tentacles etc

D357R0Y3R13 votes

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why did you give him such non-interactive thing?

Certainlyt thinking that his ideas are huge

Radiant Seraph11 votes

Wait, CertainlyT was the designer for Morde's rework...?

Well, now it all makes sense...

Wyrmblade4 votes

I can't wait to play triple-mid mixed damage artillery mage/adc Warwick.

Bottom Laner3 votes

I still can't believe he still has that passive

IcyPepper2 votes

Botlane mordekaiser was already unique since he was an ADC that could heal a support,

Er... I'm almost certain he built AP.

TeCoolMage1 votes

He was a tanky juggernaut

MasterOfMetaI2 votes

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He was a tanky juggernaut

He wasn't really tanky at all I mean just look at his base hp and armor

TeCoolMage1 votes

and MF has lower base AD than most champs so does that mean MF isn't an ADC?

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Why do people believe removing something used for a bot lane will suddenly unlock buffs?

Please, that's not how it works. Also the passive might be sleeper.

ACENOX11 votes

The passive is trash, and doesn't help you to win the game if you play botlane morde. if it helps you, it helps you by 0.00001% and you don't even realise it due to gaining 600 xp in midgame

Do you know how frustrating it is to not see the success of something in your kit? remove it or not, morde's W still needs to be buffed, because it was nerfed due to morde being overpowered, and why was he overpowered? because you were lvl 5 and he was lvl 6/7 depending on how much he cs'ed since he only gets xp from the minion he killed. And this made him having more and more advantages, and destroying you harder. He Also could be lvl 12/13 while your team and his team were lvl 9/10 if you were 3v3 or 4v4 mid and morde's team let him get all cs (he had 100% xp no matter how many people were around him)

now that this is not a thing, Morde can be buffed

Death and Doom1 votes

Hold on a second, this isnt such a great idea. You cannot remove a useless ,as you said, good for nothing skill and replace with actually good buffs. Sure, maybe w passive is useless and should be removed but you cannot use that as an excuse to buff mordekaiser. That is how to create unbalance.

imo morde is in a very balanced spot rn, good in the hands of those who know how t play him, bad in the hands of those that dont. Maybe a very very minor buff s in order to replace w passive (ex: base health scaling +5 or something) definitely not some major buffs for a worthless passive.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

Riot doesn't want solo lane Morde to be good. When solo lane Morde is good he just sustains forever, shoves wave forever, and if his opponent makes a mistake he takes two turrets with his ghost.

D357R0Y3R2 votes

Makes his W does x2 more damage if he uses a champ as an Ally

basically reverting the "overlapping" thing but just if you have a champ with you.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

hes not bad, 50% win rate

IcyPepper1 votes

Win rate isn't always an indicator of game health.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

well that's true, but then this whole thread is complaining about the changes to q and e lol

IcyPepper1 votes

the changes to q and e lol

And?

It's not like OP said "Morde's winrate blah blah blah" in his post. It went much further than that.

We're talking about apples here and now you're bringing up oranges.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

wait. I thought I was in a different thread, so ignore that post

Wyrmblade1 votes

I don't care if he doesn't get anything in return, just take it out so we can forget that whole debacle.

AWM DigitalHaunt1 votes

There's so much wrong with the Mordekaiser rework. He doesn't even feel like the same champion anymore, they really didn't recapture his essence in the rework. I have rank 5 from old Morde, can't do the new one.

TeCoolMage1 votes

Ooh I know:

Mordekaiser receives experience in a lane as if he had -1 teammates in the lane (minimum 0 not including himself) so Mordekaiser receives experience as if he were in a solo lane in a duo lane, and as if he were in a duo lane if the jungler sticks around to take tower

Then give him a bunch of duo lane buffs

NGNL Asian1 votes

Bot lane morde was horrible without someone like thresh.

In general, the juggernaut meta was disgusting

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

you mean with thresh around? thresh and few other supports make melee damage dealers pretty much non viable.

BastionKross1 votes

No, supports that could lockdown a target like Thresh and Leo were perfect for Morde, since getting off three melee Q hits was a cakewalk with those guys holding the opponent in place.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

Remove exp passive on w, but give Morde extra MS with each Q: 1st Q landed:5% increase 2nd Q landed:5%more 3rd Q: 10% increase.

This would allow Morde escapes and to acually give him a chance to land all 3 Q's without relying on stormraider's. It allows Mord's kit to stay the same, and no base MS buffs.

This thematically is acceptable for Mord, as it would really make him a true Juggernaut.

Mordepool1 votes

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Remove exp passive on w, but give Morde extra MS with each Q: 1st Q landed:5% increase 2nd Q landed:5%more 3rd Q: 10% increase.

This would allow Morde escapes and to acually give him a chance to land all 3 Q's without relying on stormraider's. It allows Mord's kit to stay the same, and no base MS buffs.

This thematically is acceptable for Mord, as it would really make him a true Juggernaut.

I would also accept adding the Grounded CC to his Kit say 1 Empowered Q applies a curse mark and a Second Empowered Q triggers the Mark for .5 seconds of grounded cc.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

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I would also accept adding the Grounded CC to his Kit say 1 Empowered Q applies a curse mark and a Second Empowered Q triggers the Mark for .5 seconds of grounded cc.

Hmm. But that means he'd have hard cc, so than he'd get nerfed. Pretty kick ass idea tho

Done251 votes

They should let you cast W on enemies.

Mordepool1 votes

Botlane Morde is Dead and I'm glad for it. Maybe he can get an actual Rework from an actually sane Designer

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

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Botlane Morde is Dead and I'm glad for it. Maybe he can get an actual Rework from an actually sane Designer

Acually, I do quite well botlane. Not because of exp passive tho: But because of theals, and upping E midgame. Ialso run ghost and ignite for mobility and kill potential now.

More importantly, I notice it's best to get offensive defensive items like zoynas, abysmal, and maw.

I went adc, and my team and the enemy malzahar flamed me hard for playing Mord adc. I carried the game and we won.

Afterwards, Malz wanted to prove Mord is too easy to counter, so we played a custom game. Where he got me early, I stacked the defensive offensive items, crushed him and proved my point that an experienced main can work around thier counters.

The biggest thing for adc Mord is that you MUST have the right support. Leo, Blitz, Naut, Thresh, and Braum are all amazing Mord supports

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

I liked his old W. The idea of Morde turning an ally into his engine was a really neat idea. Then they gave it the multi-target functionality and it was even neater. But I'm not good at Morde even though I think he could use an overhaul into a more frontal identity.

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