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Damage from the bushes- Except Sol?

o Recovery o··17 votes·1,237 views

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdZ7lp1GTeU&feature=youtu.be So we made another custom where we displayed a bit of the differences here. Sol is visible during the wind-up of his ult. Anivia's ult becomes visible during Tlord proc- if it's down, you don't get to see it.

I am honestly curious. I'm not asking anything to be 'fixed', buffed or nerfed. I'm just curious as to why AurelionSol Sol can't use bushes effectively due to his stars (his stars do not stealth) but champions like Sion can wind up his Q in a bush (specifically talking about lethality Sion who can half health you from stealth) - you don't know he's there, assuming you didn't ward (and before you answer this question just assume you didn't ward whatever bush he happens to be hiding in). Karma Karma too, can Q+Ult into a bush and you don't know it's there until you walk into it. I also understand Sol's stars are not a wind-up or exploding ability- so they technically hit faster than a Sion. Additionally, I know Sion is not revealed during wind-up because the wind up itself does not do damage. I'm just curious as to why Sol's stars cannot be stealthed - until he damages something. And perhaps a better example than Sion would be Nunu Nunu. He can slow you (via ult) while he channels and remain hidden until he's done. Anivia Anivia. Can place her ult in a bush - does not reveal even after it does damage to you (sometimes - we did a few test runs and it would SOMETIMES reveal if thunderlords was proc'd)(also working on getting video of it, our first custom we exited the game instead of surrendering so it didn't save)

I guess I'm just wondering- why is this not normalized across the board? Either you can or you can't see someone from a bush using or preparing a damaging ability. Sion I get- since it doesn't do damage until it's hit you, but that's the thing....why is Sol visible if he hasn't hit you?

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stone the blacks1 votes

it just doesn't make sense thematically for a LITERAL STAR to be hidden if its in a bush

DemonBoneJangles3 votes

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it just doesn't make sense thematically for a LITERAL STAR to be hidden if its in a bush

by that logic all of the larger champions (cho, sion, nasus, ect) should be visible in brush due to their massive size, and all recall animations should be visible because they generate light hell on top of that we should make hearing a gameplay component so that everyone has reksais passive and can hear enemy movement?

o Recovery o13 votes

I'm not taking thematic answers- if a giant snowstorm can be hidden in a bush, so can a star. I'm questioning inconsistencies, not themes.

SteelMankind2 votes

Riot did it intentionally. We can speculate as to why, but my guess is that they recognized that the capability to hide in a brush and invisibly damage people with stars would be an advantage. Not wanting to nerf other aspects of his kit so the arrogant star dragon could have a playstyle where his stars are hidden, Riot instead chose to remove that capability, keeping this choice in mind as they worked with his base stats, ratios, etc.

Another explanation is that the other abilities which can be invisibly cast from a bush, like Anivia R, Sion Q, Nunu Q, etc require a lot more commitment than Sol would if he had that capability.

Yet another is that Riot decided Sol's capacity to hard shove lanes and roam so well, coupled with very strong teamfighting, is just too great a strength even with his weakness to assassins. Making him incapable of suprising people or juking with a brush could then be seen as a way to keep Sol balanced without trashing his numbers.

Wolfeur5 votes
Velzard of Koz1 votes

So we are giving Malphite a debuff where he can't hide in bush? Because he's kinda as big as moutains y'knw.

Kirius Dark1 votes

I think it's like an extension of him like how Syndra balls dont go stealth when she walks into a bush, or Ori ball too

R0XTAR1 votes

Upvoted for visibility. This is truly outrageous. I don't understand why Nunu ult, Anivia ult (slows) are hidden but Sol's stars can't be hidden. It's like all forms of CC are invisible in bush except for a few...

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Velzard of Koz1 votes

Yeah I still can't understand that from his very release. They could've made it so that he is briefly displayed If his star hits like many others are displayed when they attack. But the argument was that you "lose a lot of Health out of sudden", because one star somehow assasinates you but other champion abilities are fine.

Like when playing Vel'Koz I am more likely to hit my E If I surprise you out of bush -> I can just assasinate you with rotation like that and it's fine but Sol would hit one star and it's end of the world.

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