Why is no one talking about Ezreal next patch?

Oofspacito·Nov 14, 2019·5 votes·2,058 views

Next patch Kleptomancy will be removed and I am afraid it will nerf him alot.

I really like playing Ezreal since it’s the only ADC I can really dominante with when I’m on my second role. No other adc’s appeal to me the same way as Ezreal does, and how he works with Kleptomancy.

Not only will he be nerfed, but other ADC’s like Kai’sa, Vayne, Xayah, Draven and Lucian seems plain better than Ezreal.

I don’t see why Kai’sa is WEAKER than Ezreal in SoloQ or ProPlay. It just makes no sense Ezreal has to be nerfed this hard with no compensation buff.

27 Comments

arowin242Nov 14, 20197 votes

kleptomancy is unhealthy for the game: for the sake of RNG you can get free gold and other items for essentially nothing. spamming Q or some other ability is NOTHING. not only this, but some champ can abuse that rune to such and degree that is un-evens the playing field dramatically. ezreal being one of those.

despite its removal, it wont hurt Ezreal, he has pretty much always been viable, is safe to play and has GREAT ranged poke. And has multiple options for a build path.

to top it all off, he is clearly a favourite amongst riot and the pros - the only reason he will EVER be non-relevant is if all other ADC's get buffed to thanos-levels or ezreal get hard nerfed 5 times in a row.

also: kai'sa is NOT weak, and dont pull up the 'but, the wInRaTe' argument: winrate has always been a bad way to balance champions and will remain so for EVER.

That's all.

NielarkenNov 14, 20192 votes

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also: kai'sa is NOT weak, and dont pull up the 'but, the wInRaTe' argument: winrate has always been a bad way to balance champions and will remain so for EVER.

That's all.

Winrate alone is a bad way to balance a champion. Too many times people scream about her 47% winrate then ignore her 30%+ pick rate across all ranks and her growing ban rate.

arowin242Nov 14, 20192 votes

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Winrate alone is a bad way to balance a champion. Too many times people scream about her 47% winrate then ignore her 30%+ pick rate across all ranks and her growing ban rate.

finally someone who understands this! its quite pathetic that riot balances champions around winrates nowadays, they USED to balance them according to the general game balance, but alas.

also lemme spell out what makes kaisa OP (for those unaware):

1: options: kai'sa has more options when it comes to ability usage and item builds then other ADC's, being allowed to build both AP and AD.

2: excessive base numbers: kai'sa base numbers and scalings are out of control (like 4 scalings on her auto's)

3: flexibility: thanks to the previous 2 point she can fit into any comp without disrupting it. if the comp is AD based she can buy AP to compensate and vice versa.

4: overloaded: this one should be obvious, i am not gonna explain it.

do i need to continue?

That's all.

Divin1tyNov 14, 20192 votes

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finally someone who understands this! its quite pathetic that riot balances champions around winrates nowadays, they USED to balance them according to the general game balance, but alas.

also lemme spell out what makes kaisa OP (for those unaware):

1: options: kai'sa has more options when it comes to ability usage and item builds then other ADC's, being allowed to build both AP and AD.

2: excessive base numbers: kai'sa base numbers and scalings are out of control (like 4 scalings on her auto's)

3: flexibility: thanks to the previous 2 point she can fit into any comp without disrupting it. if the comp is AD based she can buy AP to compensate and vice versa.

4: overloaded: this one should be obvious, i am not gonna explain it.

do i need to continue?

That's all.

Let us also not pretend like she is that hard. Fire and forget Q, insane Burst, help with last hitting through Q, Stealth, AS and MS Steroid, massive Shield and reposition tool, the ability to buy every defensive item in the game and doing fine with it.

Like honestly, a champ becomes so easy if they have the tools to turn every situation. Ashe is imo more difficult, because there is no magic 'Oops i screwed up'Button and an Ashe Player has to think way more about positioning, than Kai'Sa.

Düff McWhalenNov 14, 20194 votes

Now he's free to abuse Dark Harvest as his go to again. He's still going to be that safe farming, looking to scale up, type adc. In low elo where I am, I could abuse Ezreal with Klepto simply because it shored up my piss poor cs as an adc. I only ever did well because I had a safe champion with extra gold flowing in.

Depending on how his Q applies energized attacks, Fleet Footwork could be good.

Comet also synergizes with him buying Iceborn Gauntlet so that one is a good candidate.

Predator provides upfront damage so he could maybe use it to some effect.

Glacial Augment could be viable if you decide to go Hextech GLP on Ezreal but he doesn't really need that.

The other keystones either require too much ramp up time to be useful for Ezreal imo or flat out provide him no benefit.

Doge2020Nov 14, 20192 votes

Does his Q apply stacks of PTA? If it does then I think that would work too. He could proc PTA pretty easily with just a Q —> auto attack —> E. If his Q doesn’t then PTA could still be semi useful if the Ezreal does Auto attack —> E —> auto attack

Summoner SpeIINov 14, 20193 votes

his nerfs that were added after klepto abuse should be reverted, simple change

Divin1tyNov 14, 20192 votes

He was fine before, way too strong with and will be fine without it again.

EDIT: For the people, who don't get how statistics, in this case Winrates, work, in relation to difficulty and playrate. Ezreal is a pretty hard Champion, with an insane play rate everywhere and absolutly dominating in asian regions

What a shocker that his WR is low, as it is supposed to for a difficult champ, with a large following.

OofspacitoNov 14, 20192 votes

Not true. He is sitting at a 46% winrate high elo and low elo. He is actually gonna sit around a 44% winrate next patch i believe.

TerozuNov 14, 20193 votes

He's also on average the most played champ in the entirety of the game...

Divin1tyNov 14, 20191 votes

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He's also on average the most played champ in the entirety of the game...

Nah WR bro, relation is irrelevant. I remember Quinn having a 57% WR with a stunning...0.5% Playrate....these people would have cried for nerfs.

The thigh guyNov 14, 20193 votes

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He was fine before, way too strong with and will be fine without it again.

He’s weak as shit with it what do you mean? Second lowest winrate nearly on par with fucking kalista. A champion riot keeps in the gutter openly. -.-

NaughtyWordNov 14, 20192 votes

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He was fine before, way too strong with and will be fine without it again.

You're wrong.

His winrate is dogshit across all elos with Kleptomancy, quit talking nonsense. Without Kleptomancy he will be irrelevant.

TerozuNov 14, 20192 votes

Except AP Ezreal already doesn fine without it...

NaughtyWordNov 15, 20192 votes

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Except AP Ezreal already doesn fine without it...

No he doesn't.

There is no lane in which Ezreal dominates or anywhere near it. Not support, not bot, not mid. You've utterly no way of quantifying this. I however can quantify it due to win rates:

Ezreal Mid: Dead last with 43.01% winrate Plat+ op.gg/Not even given a tier on Rankedboost.com Ezreal Bot: 18/20 with 48.45% winrate Plat+ op.gg/B Tier on Rankedboost.com

In no stretch of the word is Ezreal even a remotely dominate ADC or Midlaner, and that is WITH kleptomancy, without it, he is shit tier lolpick literally inting. I know he makes your asses mad because he can get out of shit, he's HARDLY the only ADC that can, and his late game is balls as he absolutely will not scale as well as any crit ADC: Xayah Ashe Jhin Jinx etc.

And just to side step the accusation: I'm not an Ezreal main, he is a champion I play with specific supports and never in ranked, because I think he isn't very good and that perception is only going to get worse with the removal of Kleptomancy:

https://imgur.com/a/TwLFymF

You really want to abuse Kleptomancy as an ADC? Lucian is a far better choice than Ezreal ever was. E double tap, works 100% of the time and you get a truckload of gold.

NaughtyWordNov 22, 20191 votes

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Except AP Ezreal already doesn fine without it...

I came back to this thread to just point out that everyone, including you, who said Ezreal will be alright, Ezreal is sitting at a 44% winrate and free falling.

I want to hear more about how Ezreal is alright.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

TerozuNov 22, 20191 votes

He's still fine considering he's an all skill shot champion who is played as much as he is.

His winrate should be low, and if it isn't he's strong.

Not to mention it's only been 3 days since the changes hit and I know damn well a lot of his losses are from people taking him with omnistone. Which means his winrate was lowered further by idiots. So, yeah. If you give it a chance and learn how to play him properly, he's still fine.

XJ99999999999999Nov 15, 20191 votes

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He was fine before, way too strong with and will be fine without it again.

EDIT: For the people, who don't get how statistics, in this case Winrates, work, in relation to difficulty and playrate. Ezreal is a pretty hard Champion, with an insane play rate everywhere and absolutly dominating in asian regions

What a shocker that his WR is low, as it is supposed to for a difficult champ, with a large following.

lmfao? ezreal hard? why is he the go to? because he's easy as fuck and safe. people dont auto with him though, which makes his winrate shit. hes popular due to being safe, thus bad players play him. OP Even said its his 2ndary role and only champ he can play as adc. its most peoples as wells unless its kaisa

Emperor TalquinNov 14, 20192 votes

Nothing should happen. Ezreals already a safe laner with a cheap build and high burst damage.

NielarkenNov 14, 20192 votes

How many things is it now that his Q has broken? Can we stop with the on hit cheese gimick and actually make him into a real champion?

Death by GlamourNov 14, 20191 votes

he will find something else to abuse no doubt

5050BSNov 14, 20191 votes

Ez is not the only champ that takes Klepto 90% of the time.

Illaoi is getting hit hard too. People say "Oh take Conqueror" but its not really good on her. Thats why we took Klepto over it. Grasp is the same.

Divin1tyNov 14, 20191 votes

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Ez is not the only champ that takes Klepto 90% of the time.

Illaoi is getting hit hard too. People say "Oh take Conqueror" but its not really good on her. Thats why we took Klepto over it. Grasp is the same.

Well, she was pushed into using Klepto, cuz of her E, so they balanced her around it.

Hayaishi2Nov 15, 20191 votes

He'll probably get some slight buffs to compensate.

SalronNov 15, 20191 votes

Riot already stated they will be watching Ezreal after Klepto is removed and will buff him if need be

Its All SkillzzNov 15, 20191 votes

Thing about ezreal and klepto is that if you fall behind its very difficult to come back, you cant farm anywhere if you are behind cause no gold or items you will get hunted down by even 1 of the fed enemies, you also cant farm in your base or compete with your teammates wave clear/ability to kill minions. Ap ezreal has absolutely no way to wave clear since his ult was nerfed and his aas do jack crap to minions. once behind thats it if you didnt snowball out of control in your lane an get tower plating + few kills or won early team fights you will be useless till you can actually get items. pretty much what works on me in mid plat elo as ap ezreal is to just camp the lane as the jungler, if im playing agressive with my E to all in my laner or nuke them then that opens me up to free ganks and this works constantly and it pisses me off when i get 10x ganked b2b trying to dominate my lane while my jungler eats paste in the corner and is not helping other lanes.

NaughtyWordNov 15, 20192 votes

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Thing about ezreal and klepto is that if you fall behind its very difficult to come back, you cant farm anywhere if you are behind cause no gold or items you will get hunted down by even 1 of the fed enemies, you also cant farm in your base or compete with your teammates wave clear/ability to kill minions. Ap ezreal has absolutely no way to wave clear since his ult was nerfed and his aas do jack crap to minions. once behind thats it if you didnt snowball out of control in your lane an get tower plating + few kills or won early team fights you will be useless till you can actually get items. pretty much what works on me in mid plat elo as ap ezreal is to just camp the lane as the jungler, if im playing agressive with my E to all in my laner or nuke them then that opens me up to free ganks and this works constantly and it pisses me off when i get 10x ganked b2b trying to dominate my lane while my jungler eats paste in the corner and is not helping other lanes.

I mostly play Ashe KogMaw and Sivir .

With the first two against Ezreal I just hide in the minion line, wait for my lvl 6 power spike, and just all in him right after he uses E. With KogMaw it is real easy to bait out that E because of Living Artillery. As far as Sivir is concerned, it is easy to win the poke game against him as you can spellshield and basically get free mana whenever the hell you want.

Ashe and Sivir easily outscale him by midgame and kog'maw has far better team fight.

This idea that Ezreal is some how dominate isn't reflective of any quantifiable statistic, not win rate, not ban rate, not damage, nothing.

Hell with kleptomancy, he even sucks at gold farming:

https://champion.gg/statistics/?league=platplus#?roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.goldEarned&order=descend

I know what htis is about, this is about people who are mad because Ezreal used his E on one of their critical abilities and they mad.

Meanwhile Sivir Tristana Lucian Xayah Kaisa Vayne Caitlyn all have the same ability to dodge/make immune shit to varying degree.