So, i saw that Ivern's ultimate, Daisy, was nerfed so it no longer regenerates hp because it made anything short of a kill worthless. This is fine, it makes sense. But as far as i am aware, tibbers, Annie's summon, still regenerates health. If this is done to Daisy shouldn't tibbers be given the same treatment?
Ark Sorcerer1 votesI think the health regen on the two were different. That and Tibbers is melee while Diasy has ranged attacks. I think that is the factor. That and Tibbers becomes less aggressive after, say 10 seconds, after the initial cast.
AwesomeGuyDj1 votesdaisy has melee attacks and every 3 autos on a single target does a mini braum ult. I did some research. Tibbers actually heals MORE than daisy. Tibbers heals 6% max hp while daisy only healed 3% max If you look at the base stats (not including with items) Daisy only has 750 more hp . Daisy has 170 AD where tibbers has 100 magic damage. Daisy has 20 more magic and dmg resistance, and has about 30 more move speed. Not to huge of a difference. Not to mention tibbers is an instant aoe stun cast that can do huge amounts of damage with no fucking effort.
Ark Sorcerer1 votesBasically Daisy is better than Tibber. No?
AwesomeGuyDj1 votesagain, it depends. Daisy is slightly better, but daisy isnt an instant aoe ranged stun that can deal signifigant dmg. Daisy is better for zoning and tanking dmg while tibbers can do good burst. Tibbers stacks with her AP, which she would be building normally anyway. She technically stacks with ap, but as ivern your basically a support who jungles so you arent going to be building AP. (atleast thats how i play him..)
Erockandroll1 votesagain, it depends. Daisy is slightly better, but daisy isnt an instant aoe ranged stun that can deal signifigant dmg. Daisy is better for zoning and tanking dmg while tibbers can do good burst. Tibbers stacks with her AP, which she would be building normally anyway. She technically stacks with ap, but as ivern your basically a support who jungles so you arent going to be building AP. (atleast thats how i play him..)
Really the trick is Ivern's interaction with Daisy.
Daisy can be bolstered by Ivern's spells. He can put the shield on daisy, and the root caller can allow Daisy to close the gap. Ivern is simply the better puppet master. And Riot takes it out on the puppet. It really had nothing to do with stats.
Ark Sorcerer1 votesI suppose it makes sense.
I usually am on the side that Riot makes their champions unique from one another but after seeing Daisy, I had to start saying I no longer support that as much.
MinaZer01 votesdaisy is more impactful.