EKkos q is a medium range skillshot

DanofDemacia·May 28, 2015·75 votes·4,553 views

It has 1075 range. I didn't know lux and Morgana's q were medium ranged always cinsidered it long. Just something that bothered me from his champion spotlight

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VisigothMay 28, 201521 votes

Damn. So is Nidalee's spear also 'medium' range? What do they consider to be long, a global skillshot?

DanofDemaciaMay 28, 201523 votes

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Damn. So is Nidalee's spear also 'medium' range? What do they consider to be long, a global skillshot?

Lol riot is just making things up as they go along

ChaoticPineconeMay 28, 20153 votes

its not hard to imagine a ranking of ranges, something like:

<700 = short 700-1100 = medium 1100+ = long.

Nidalee's spear is 1500 range - which i believe is the 2nd highest range of any normal ability. (Varus Q is longest.) Nid is a horrible example to use.

Ariel the CruelMay 28, 20154 votes

It's actually tied for 4th or 5th, if I recall.

ChaoticPineconeMay 29, 20151 votes

Oh. my mistake.

Janna's Q (1700) and Zac's E (1550 at rank 5) also beat it, without taking into account abilities like Warwick's blood scent. its tied with Sion's E if it goes through a minion, and can potentially be ouranged by Fiddle's E if the enemy is positioned in an optimal way.

But still - taking the 4th longest ability in the game and calling it "medium range" is a stretch. Its also a stretch comparing an ability that has 40% more range.

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

4th? Jynx ulti, ashe ulti, ez ulti, ashe W, draven ulti, Reksai ulti, Ekko ulti (lol), lux, vel, (vel q at max range - fired at an angle - i believe is higher too, not sure), and this is only mentioning the skill shots that you "didn't" mention, not soraka or shen or cait or Karthus

it is not the 4th longest ability in the game by a long shot dude!

Ariel the CruelMay 29, 20153 votes

hich i believe is the 2nd highest range of any normal ability.

normal ability.

Normal ability means it's not an item or an ult.

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

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Normal ability means it's not an item or an ult.

But still - taking the 4th longest ability in the game and calling it "medium range" is a stretch. Its also a stretch comparing an ability > that has 40% more range.

taking the 4th longest ability

is what I was replying to mate And even then... Ashe W, Vel Q, Xerath Q others are still debated on validity, like Morgana's Q and lux I think Anirva Q as well, but I am not sure. Orianna's E is another one, since it can do damage and be cast from the max range she is away from her ball, and Q is similar in terms of damage route not cast range

Ariel the CruelMay 29, 20151 votes

Nid spear: 1500 Ashe W: 1200 Vel Q: "Factoring in the split, Plasma Fission can hit targets up to 1485 units away." Xerath Q: 1400 Morg Q; 1175 Lux Q: 1175 Anivia Q: 1075 Ori's E range is 1100. Assuming it was cast from 1 extreme to the other would make it 2200. Her Q is 825/1650. This one is really splitting hairs, but I'll give it to you.

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

lol that Ori can be a sly bastard :D If you "really" want to split hairs, unlike the others on that list, Ori can extend her range if her (or the target she is shielding) dashes, potentially increasing the number of targets hit.

I have hit an enemy with Q, flashed based them and hit them with E before :P

DUDE BROMay 28, 20152 votes

Don't forget that only 70% of that range is fast, the other 30% it just sort of floats out super slow. So it's range is more like 700 and then it floats out a bit.

KING OF MASKSMay 28, 201512 votes

That bothered me as well. I wonder what qualifies as "long range" now; maybe Karthus' ult?

AbsoluteSadmanMay 29, 20153 votes

Short as hell.

An ezreal ult that loops around the map 8 or so times.

One Bind MorganaMay 28, 20154 votes

lux q is 1175

morg q is 1300

not going to say ekko's q is "medium range" but it's shorter than the two spells you've said

DanofDemaciaMay 28, 20153 votes

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lux q is 1175

morg q is 1300

not going to say ekko's q is "medium range" but it's shorter than the two spells you've said

I'm not sure where u got your info from but luxes AND MORGANAS snare are 1175. A whole 100 units shorter wow

One Bind MorganaMay 28, 20153 votes

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I'm not sure where u got your info from but luxes AND MORGANAS snare are 1175. A whole 100 units shorter wow

you're simply trusting the wiki that anyone can edit

i know for a fact it's 1300

and if you look at morgana's patch history on the wiki, it will also show that it was nerfed from 1400 to 1300 before season 3, then never touched again in terms of range

DanofDemaciaMay 28, 20155 votes

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you're simply trusting the wiki that anyone can edit

i know for a fact it's 1300

and if you look at morgana's patch history on the wiki, it will also show that it was nerfed from 1400 to 1300 before season 3, then never touched again in terms of range

Both Morgana's and luxes snares are the same exact range dude check it out I used to duo lux and morg all the time there q's are the same length

One Bind MorganaMay 28, 20151 votes

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Both Morgana's and luxes snares are the same exact range dude check it out I used to duo lux and morg all the time there q's are the same length

go into a custom match and try it

you'll see lol

again, wiki pages are outdated as fuck, morg q range got nerfed by 100 back in early season 2 (maybe mid not sure) when she was being spammed in competitive as a mid laner

it was 1400 before

100 less is 1300

besides, compare it to xerath max range q, it's literally the same length

1175 vs 1400 would be a noticeable difference

DanofDemaciaMay 28, 20153 votes

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go into a custom match and try it

you'll see lol

again, wiki pages are outdated as fuck, morg q range got nerfed by 100 back in early season 2 (maybe mid not sure) when she was being spammed in competitive as a mid laner

it was 1400 before

100 less is 1300

besides, compare it to xerath max range q, it's literally the same length

1175 vs 1400 would be a noticeable difference

Buddy both lux and morgs q are the same so I your saying both lux and morgs are listed wrong and luxes e is just slightly below the range of her q so that'd be luxes e listed wrong also.

Meep ManMay 28, 20154 votes

Long range? Probably talking about...

Caitlyn Q Corki R Jayce Q Jinx W Kalista Q Nidalee Q Varus Q Velkoz Q Xerath Q Zed W+Q Ziggs Q

All of these have their ranges at or exceeding 1200. Ekko's Q is definitely long, but it's nothing compared to these things. This excludes global skill shots.

DanofDemaciaMay 28, 20154 votes

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Long range? Probably talking about...

Q R Q W Q Q Q Q Q W+Q Q

All of these have their ranges at or exceeding 1200. Ekko's Q is definitely long, but it's nothing compared to these things. This excludes global skill shots.

So lux is a medium ranged mage outside her ult got it.

Meep ManMay 28, 20158 votes

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So lux is a medium ranged mage outside her ult got it.

Compared to Mages in general, kind of? She is longish range, but when you compare her skill ranges to the ones above, she is only about average.

ChaoticPineconeMay 29, 20152 votes

if you want to be picky, you can call her Medium-Long. Lissandra would be Medium-Short. Vlad would be Short.

DanofDemaciaMay 29, 20151 votes

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if you want to be picky, you can call her Medium-Long. Lissandra would be Medium-Short. Vlad would be Short.

Medium long mage no no she is definitely long.

ChaoticPineconeMay 29, 20151 votes

if Lux is long at ~1100 range, then we need an 'Extra Long' category for Xerath, Ziggs, Nidalee, and Jayce.

BLU MedicMay 28, 20153 votes

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One Bind MorganaMay 28, 20157 votes

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That's longer than Xerath's Q and E.

That's longer than all of Ziggs's abilities apart from his ultimate.

That's longer than all of Vel'Koz's abilities apart from his ultimate.

That's longer than ALL of Veigar's abilities.

xerath q is 1400

velkoz q is 1485

BLU MedicMay 28, 20153 votes

I was going by the range on their Champion pages. Vel'Koz's Q here is 1050.

Unless you're accounting for the maximum charge up on Xerath's Q and the trigonometry tricks you can play as Vel'Koz. But if we're doing that, we might as well look at the area of effect of these abilities too. Ekko can hugely increase the range of HIS Q by repositioning.

AkeydelMay 28, 20153 votes

First of all, the range indicators on those pages are VERY misleading, as they don't account for any of the increases in range. Xerath and Ziggs Q's both have more range than the page says because it only lists the initial cast range, and doesn't account for charging or bouncing, both extend the range by at least 500. But you know this. If you consider the boomerang effect, then the range is global, just like Ahri and Sivir . I don't think thats a fair complaint at all. Ekko's q is just like an ap, slow-mo, siv q with a slow. You could complain about how the AOE can hit whole waves, almost like a Cassiopeia W.

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

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I was going by the range on their Champion pages. Vel'Koz's Q here is 1050.

Unless you're accounting for the maximum charge up on Xerath's Q and the trigonometry tricks you can play as Vel'Koz. But if we're doing that, we might as well look at the area of effect of these abilities too. Ekko can hugely increase the range of HIS Q by repositioning.

I was gonna disagree, but you might have a point there. TP to turret, cast Q, hit R before it returns, you will hit about half of the map with that skill. But the distance it travels out is always the same, unlike Velkoz or Xerath that INCREASE the cast distance, not the recall distance (cause ahri, draven, sivir and others can do that too)

rinsujoMay 28, 20154 votes

HAHA, you expect Riot to keep champ pages updated? Those were probably the ranges on release. Or pre-release. No, if you want to actually know what a champ does in game you have to go to a third party site.

BLU MedicMay 28, 20154 votes

Actually, I kinda expected their own website to be, well, accurate. Vel'Koz's W and E haven't changed since release.

DrukyulMay 28, 20155 votes

I kinda expected their own website to be, well, accurate

You have way too much faith in Riot.

AbsoluteSadmanMay 29, 20151 votes

We live in a sad world where half the shit in the client champ pages is outdated, and the website is garbo

AkeydelMay 28, 20151 votes

No, those ranges are accurate. They're just very basic information, and only account for the initial cast range and don't show how bouncing/charging increase the range. It's the same for Gnar 's Hop, Nidalee 's Pounce, Rumble 's The Equalizer, Sion 's Unstoppable Onslaught, Syndra 's Scatter the Weak, Viktor 's Death Ray, and Zac 's Elastic Slingshot. I may have left out a few.

AhhShucksMay 28, 20152 votes

I would rather consider Veigar Q as a medium range skill shot. Ekko's seems long to me.

AhhShucksMay 28, 20151 votes

I'm confused. I definitely did not actually make this comment. I was reading through the thread and when I got to the bottom there was a comment by me that was an exact copy of the comment above it. Maybe we opened the thread at the same time and some Board programming screwed up when you posted.

RetillinMay 28, 20151 votes

Don't do drugs kids!

Solidair3May 28, 20152 votes

Very few champs have long range skillShots. Varus Q is the most notable. Lux ult is also and extreme case.

And then there's global skillshots...

SteelflameMay 28, 20152 votes

Except his Q is pretty short in realistic range. It's potential hit range is long, but if you get hit by it's tip, it is your fault entirely, due to how it slows down to less than 50-100 MS as it extends. This is like complaining about getting hit by a nid spear at 1500 range. You had your chance to react, you ****ed up.

A more realistic complaint about his Q would be the fact it is the HIGHEST AP ratio super safe farming skill on an Assassin. On an already insanely slippery assassin who has two built in last hitting passives (in his base passive and his W passive).

General DavisMay 28, 20151 votes

The problem with Nidalee's Q is that it's speed is confusing and can cause people to go the wrong direction to avoid it. I think Nidalee's toxic but that's my opinion.

On your second point I agree. He's as slippery if not more so than LeBlanc and yet he has a ranged farming tool like that. Ekko, though he may be hard to play, is OP.

ThumpinMay 29, 20152 votes

Well, yeah. It has a longish range, but it also takes forever to reach max distance. So you can call it long-range, but don't pretend that keeping distance from Ekko isn't enough to avoid the skill altogether.

junglerboy16May 28, 20151 votes

I think the difference is that his only deals damage before it expands (at which point it turns into a drifting slow field) and the damage component (at least when you send it out) is medium range. The return range is basically as long as the amount of distance you are able to put between you and it (hypothetically that could be cross map length if you used R after teleporting out of base and threw Q out).

NazZomLordMay 28, 20151 votes

so...short range is like Gangplank Q Medium is Morgana Snare So...that makes long range Pantheon Ult? i always considered short range to slightly larger melee ranges, Medium to be like GP Q and long to be Morgana, Lux, and others. And Ults to be more like Global Bard IDK, im confused now.

Ketchup25May 29, 20151 votes

Thoose ults you mentioned are not exactly skill shots so thoose does not really count ^^.

NazZomLordMay 29, 20151 votes

Well i agree that on Gangplank since it starts immediately, but Bard and Pantheon are actually rather hard to hit if not used correctly.

AkesgerothMay 29, 20151 votes

Have you jokers actually played Ekko? The range is 1075, but the projectile slows way the fuck down before that. If you get hit at his Q's max range, you have no one to blame but yourself.

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

I am not arguing against you, but for a little clarity, the projectile is a bit slow, but slows down greatly before reaching maximum range. Nida's spear for example is fast moving and long range (don't know the exact numbers) in short, it's much easier to avoid Ekkos Q at medium to long ranges, and generally speaking it won't hit at long range, Nidalee can hit you from outside turret range while you are pretty much outside turret range on opposite side