Is nothing sacred anymore? Taliyah nerf

Boulderox·9/8/2016, 11:54:07 PM·3 votes·1,571 views

I have been holding off on this thought for a while now, and now that it hit live, i feel i can point some things i flat out don't understand.

Let's start at Taliyah's release, she was unveiled and released 5/18 2016 in a manner that many players were unfamiliar to, she had some cool abilities, but she sucked, lets be honest, she had the lowest win rate in 4/5 spots one week. https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/QBSJfFIF_wcDcR1S2Ngtv1kkkXg=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6538311/Screen_Shot_2016-05-24_at_10.21.57_AM.0.png

^Her abilities were not mind boggling difficult mind you, they were tricky, as this was the time the w was very clunky, and the worked ground was too long and everyone knew it, mind you the q had a 33% minion bonus.

She was then buffed in 6.11 so that the Q was changed from 33% to 50% bonus damage to minions, and the worked ground duration was lowered by 40 sec to 100 at live. Eventually leading to her E to be nerfed as well, having a damage reduction per consecutive hit as well like the Q does. Finally we get to the grand change, which allowed her to use her w as a vector cast and allowed her to use her W>E whereas that was impossible in the past.

Then comes the dreaded lcs, some people realize how great she still is, and utilize her to great affect, however there are games I personally saw where taliyah went completely negative, and others she was great and even fed, but i would not say over the top overpowered.

Now to 6.18 she is a prime mid pick, she has been changed so not only is her e being hit again, which i can deal with honestly, but the fact they are removing the 50% minion bonus damage is in my opinion going to dumpster this champion. She was struggling with 33% bonus, and some can be thrown at "new champ, nobody knows how to play her". When her kit is fairly simple ability wise, Ranged q, knockup w, e aoe, r wall... And the fact it seems that t she will lose her identity that riot created for her with these nerfs.

QUOTE from riots reveal of Taliyah:

If she's winning trades and dodging ganks, Taliyah excels at pushing waves into towers with her area of effect attacks. Once she's pushed her wave, her passive lets her bust out her rock-board and surf over to a friendly lane with tremor-inducing speed. She'll cruise alongside the map's walls, constantly gaining movement speed before blasting into a buddy's lane. Building an item like Luden's Echo gives Shurima's greatest (and only) surfer the means to dart around even faster, making her roams especially deadly.

To me this seems that she is DEFINED as a roaming mid lane mage while sticking to a traditional mage archetype. And by removing her ability to push waves effectively, she can't roam, meaning she loses what made her what she was, and i fear she is going to be crap.

But the real reason I have been holding off is because I feel that riot is not only crippling her, and destroying her identity they created for her, but the fact that this is another repeat of Azir, Shurima curse amarit? ( Skarner jug. Azir were the last i believe, and now the newest oneTaliyah ), but then we have Ekko, a repeat offender no matter what happens to him, he still is allowed to play tanky and be a nuisance, and riot seems too afraid to hard nerf him, always compensating ap ekko, when item 3078 is now one of the best items on him... WHAT?!?

~So on one side, ekko has consistent damage with passive and spells, can build tanky, retain the damage output and safety, while also having a variety of builds, ap or trinity tank. or ap flat.

~Vs taliyah. a mage that pretty much has a standard build path with many other mages, item 3165 item 3116 item 3020 item 3135 eventually, and random 2 depending on game... is very squishy, albeit a great kiter with item 3116, her damage is limited by items and worked ground, which can mess up defensive points as well as offensive points with the lower damage output, her safety is pretty small, as her w is the only way to keep people at bay and without that you are screwed tbh.

TLDR; taliyah is being nerfed because she is successful at doing what she was designed to be, and is being punished because of it with pure nerfs, while Ekko is allowed to continue to be relevant and is compensated after most nerfs and feel this mentality is both hypocritical, and wrong when they take away the key things that were meant to be the champions identity.

P.S. Taliyah "Main" here, and i really feel that she is being overnerfed for actually doing what she was made to do... https://youtu.be/aUyxQAFXZI8?t=347

Thoughts?

Edited: fixed errors and youtube link timing, if anything else is wrong let me know.

4 Comments

GULAG 4 U9/9/2016, 12:05:37 AM1 votes

IT'S.FOR.WORLDS.

specter4249/9/2016, 12:10:46 AM1 votes

deserved next

Reaper Soraka9/9/2016, 12:12:59 AM1 votes

Why did you use photo evidence that shows she doesn't perform well in lanes she doesn't play in? How is she in Mid where she is considered to be strongest? "she had the lowest win rate in 4/5 spots one week." how long ago? How did they relate to her main position then? The whole picture/paragraph above it forum-tilted me because it didn't belong. :(

The evidence seems to follow a timeline, but I don't get why it was included up to today's Taliyah!