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Gangplank still too strong?

Boulderox··6 votes·5,271 views

Recently i played a match Rumble vs Gangplank, which is a decent matchup, played rumble quite a bit in the past and know the matchup is usually favored on rumble due to his ability to outdamage him.

come to find out, even with all the nerfs he is still impossible to fight mid to late game.... has a free summoner 1 on a 20-14 sec CD.... has not only single target poke, but aoe with his barrels His barrels zone you so you can't even farm (meanwhile Azir couldn't have it because it was too strong...) He gets a FREE movespeed off of his barrels. And lets not forget the gangplank Gank from top lane with his ult...

After the game find out it was a very new GP, and i asked if it was difficult, they said that the barrel placement was the worst part, everything else was easy.... And to think that a new Gangplank player can abuse him with such little knowledge because of his overloaded kit I mean come on Sustain and cleanse on one button (% missing hp as well), true damage, AOE damage Single target damage, ignores 40% armor stilll seems too much.... 80% slow for no reason... Gives HIM a MS steroid as well and his ult, which has its own quarks.

I've seen that he is getting changes on pbe around his barrel count... but idk, I still think his barrels are too easy to use, the only difficulty is placing them close enough together so they link, but beyond that he has too much damage and utility.

And once again Azir wasn't allowed to have the zoning potential he had alongside his utility, so why is Gangplank allowed to?

I just don't get the logic where one can have it and another can't..... one is healthy but one isn't

Please discuss.

28 Comments

grug2 votes

riot gutted the shit out of him and made him a poorer farmer. His kit is not overloaded, you are just inexperienced with fighting gp. he has shit early game that you didn't abuse.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

His kit is not overloaded

  1. It might be, but a lot of kits are overloaded Nidalee Jayce Elise Gnar Khazix Zed Yasuo Fiora LeeSin Leblanc Thresh Ahri Azir to just name a few. I wouldn't call an overloaded kit overloaded, I'd call a not- overloaded kit underloaded :P

you are just inexperienced with fighting gp

Most likely true

he has shit early game that you didn't abuse.

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TouchMyNautyBits2 votes

Absolutely not, his winrate is 49% right now. Any further nerfs would put him in poop tier.

Jolly Rogered2 votes

I have never lost a lane as GP to a rumble so. So GP gives Rumble a good rogering. Know what I'm saying?

Really tho, this post to me seems like your just whining. Get good or get rogered.

BlueBonquet1 votes

I think he is a little over powered in higher Elo, however in bronze garbage players don't have the heavy skill mechanics for placing barrels causing them to feed like dumb asses. they usually buy full ad too making them easy to kill and die in team fights, I'm just honestly sick of seeing him right now.

Boulderox1 votes

and there in lies the problem, the barrels is the only setback to playing him to the fullest, everything else is super quick and responsive, with little drawbacks... past that.

BlueBonquet2 votes

A lot of top laners are good at fighting him though Swain Darius Pantheon DrMundo Jax MonkeyKing , if he builds damage first he will be super weak and a very easy kill, I would of liked to watch the game to see where rumble went wrong.

Boulderox2 votes

:/ out of all the 129 champs... 6 can outtrade him..... see the problem i find with that logic...

RiotRiot Sotere5 votes

That definitely wasn't an exhaustive list. There're very few champions GP actually beats in a straight up duel.

Riven and Fiora are my least favorite match-ups for him.

Hellioning4 votes

Well, yes, but that's because no one likes to play against Riven and Fiora but people who are playing champs that specifically counter them.

Boulderox2 votes

Thank you for the input :) however the new GP isn't a dueler, he is a zoner, a poker, and then all ins with his massive slows paired with his MS boost, I just find having a massive slow and a MS steroid coming from the barrels is a tad overbearing... if you cannot catch up to a target that has a 40 - 80% slow.... idk what to tell you... tacking on the MS from actually Autoing is fine, but seems off for smashing a keg.... IDK thats just me and an opinion thoughts?

RiotRiot Sotere5 votes

The slow does seem a touch excessive.

HotChilly4 votes

I vote with my 2 cents for nerfing his ult before nerfing his barrels even more. Like you said GP already struggles in 1v1's, reducing his ult range to a TF or Pantheon like range would make him a lot more healthy, especially in higher elos where people find him more oppressive. Higher elo players are able to use globals well, and a map wide global like gp is able to swing any lane at any time after 6 and causes a lot of hate for GP.

Maybe a 4th silver serpent upgrade to make it global again would be fun. /shrug. I think his ult being global is pretty powerful right now, and I would be sad if the rest of his kit had to give up power for the ability to swing fights on the other side of the map. I want mah pirate to be good at fighting for himself as well!

Sahn Uzal2 votes

If GP ends up needing another nerf, this seems pretty gud tbh +1 summoner 31

Retillin1 votes

But GP doesn't NEED to beat anyone in lane. He's auto going to out farm them. So his safety and wave clear pushes him to late game ahead of his enemy. Even if his enemy can control the lane. With a global AoE ult, he doesn't need to leave lane to help a fight, or can pick up extra farm in another lane.

Solidair31 votes

Try out Nautilus next time you're against GP at top. Rush a sunfire, and then proceed to stomp on him all game. His Oranges mean nothing in the face of Naughtybus

Sahn Uzal1 votes

For some reason people seem to think GP gives CC immunity or something o.0 He can get rid of a single CC spell. That's it. summoner 31

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

I honestly miss old gangplank. I don't use his stupid barrels when I play him anyways XD

Sahn Uzal1 votes

If we are gonna compare Azir to Gangplank Gangplank has better burst than Azir and has global pressure with his ultimate Azir has a better Sustained damage, has mobility and the hard CC wall of Fuck you -_- They both have their own strenghts and weaknesses. Don't compare apples with oranges. summoner 31

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

Azir hasn't mobility.He doesn't escape from assassins.But Ahri, Lb?

Also late game Gp=10x Azir.

Both are for early game.

Riot was overnerfed Azir.

Boulderox2 votes

but that is what i mean, azir was very strong, and riot has overnerfed him because he was too good at everything. And now Gangplank has a lot of everything and the power to boot, yet he is being nerfed on his barrel count and slight number changes....

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Meh, Good Azir players still own.

Azir hasn't mobility.He doesn't escape from assassins.But Ahri, Lb?

Guess Azir does not have an ability on his E button o.0

Also late game Gp=10x Azir.

Last patch? maybe. This patch? Hell no!

Both are for early game.

What?...

Riot was overnerfed Azir.

Yeah, propably, but that is not relevant to GP o.0 summoner 31

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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Meh, Good Azir players still own.

Guess Azir does not have an ability on his E button o.0

Last patch? maybe. This patch? Hell no!

What?...

Yeah, propably, but that is not relevant to GP o.0 summoner 31

Both are strong for early game.Gp is still stronger than Azir for late game.E skill isn't reliable dash also Azir has only 325 ms.This is very low.Assassins have 335 or 340.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Holy shit... [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Alright... First off, Gangplank is not an early game champion. He has a weak early game and a strong lategame. His passive got specifically nerfed because his laningphase was ''ok'' You don't pick GP to win lane, you pick GP to scale.

Now back to Azir. Azir's E IS a reliable source of mobility. Azir becomes very hard to gank if the player is only half decent. He should have a low MS because his E Q combo might be one of the longest dashes in the game, and he can change directions, this allows him to wallhop 2 walls in most situations.

On a side note, you are litterally not even mentioning the fact that Midgame exists. I'm fucking done here. summoner 31

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

GP is a melee creep now. If you don't snowball, you are useless. Also without crits he has no dmg. They killed tank and bruiserplank just to keep the critplank.

AhhShucks1 votes

I've had a lot of luck fighting him with the new Shen.

Niyumi1 votes

"Wahhh, I don't want to actually counterplay someone, wahhh, Riot, nerf! Wahhhh!"

Did I get that about right?

{quoted} of his overloaded kit I mean come on

Okay, let's go through your little list, shall we?

Sustain and cleanse on one button (% missing hp as well),

Yeah, sustain. At rank 1, it has a >20s CD, and heals for maybe 100-150 health (if you're nearly dead), and breaks ONE, SINGLE CC. Just keep the pressure on him, and wow, that orange means nothing.

true damage,

True damage that requires him, the squishy top laner, to get into melee auto range. So hey, play a champ that punishes people who go in (Darius, Illaoi and Quinn come into mind...)

AOE damage

AoE damage that comes in the form of a HIGHLY telegraphed attack that you have to be a moron to get hit by.

Single target damage,

Really? You mean his Q that does like 300 damage late-game unless he crits? Gee, that's a lot of damage on a 5s CD. Have you seen ADCs? They do FAR more than that with no cooldown or cost.

80% slow for no reason...

An 80% slow for landing a skillshot that's actually kind of hard to land. Meanwhile, Kindred gets a pretty hefty slow for CLICKING ON YOU.

Gives HIM a MS steroid as well

He gets MS if he hits you with his passive or ignites a barrel. Don't let him do either, and wow, no more speed boost!

and his ult, which has its own quarks.

Do you have problems with Jinx, Karthus, Ziggs or Ez? If you can be killed by his ult, then maybe you shouldn't be pushing so hard, huh?

Thing is, GP is LOADED with counterplay, people are just too fucking lazy to actually counterplay him, they just expect to build armor and ignore his kit. I think I'll have to continue my "How to beat X, for all you whiners out there" series of threads. Did one for Graves and Illaoi so far, now I'll do GP, so hopefully people can learn how to play against him, and they can stop nerfing him for all you fucking brats out there.

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