Why is Morgana mid getting gutted? Why?

Witch of Babylon·4/9/2019, 10:14:26 PM·67 votes·18,356 views

Dark Binding (Q) AP ratio lowered from 90% to 75%

Black Shield (E) AP ratio lowered from 70% to 40%

https://m.u.gg/lol/champions/morgana/build/?role=middle

According to her winrate and playrate, there's no reason why she should be nerfed, or at least this hard. It just doesn't make sense why you continue to nerf Morgana when the data is there.

157 Comments

Arcade Lulu4/9/2019, 10:17:20 PM71 votes

Because all champions should be able to play almost all roles but DEAR GOD when a support (that was originally a midlaner) touches a midlane UNACCEPTABLE

Frosted Tips4/9/2019, 10:17:09 PM39 votes

Uninteractive. Just W wave from like 1000 units away and push lane opponent under tower.

Daddy ReTaric4/9/2019, 10:15:57 PM29 votes

The hate on Morgana is stupid.. She isn't even relatively strong...

Plat HardstuckXD4/9/2019, 11:17:55 PM10 votes

She's probably a problem in China. They only balance the game around that country.

AHarmlessTaco4/9/2019, 11:24:26 PM9 votes

Yeaaaah, I don't really understand it. Legitimately every player has voiced time and time again that they would rather see the hitbox of her Q changed than any other changes. Losing 30% of her AP scaling on her shield is going to kill her ability to ever utilize her ultimate without flash/Zhonyas or going extremely tanky, which nerfing her AP ratios will ultimately force her to do. Seems really distasteful.

xxxMadLionxxx4/9/2019, 10:55:47 PM8 votes

I was just about to make a post asking the same thing. Cause she isn't even strong as a AP mid laner, but riot is gutting her

The thigh guy4/9/2019, 11:34:24 PM7 votes

Because she countered the glorious assassin meta and riot can’t have that not can they?

Kaisha4/9/2019, 11:44:26 PM7 votes

Cause she isn't a flashy assassin with 8000 teleports and an execute, or a dev favorite.

Jaspers4/9/2019, 10:34:27 PM6 votes

How can a small change to how W works and a bit of R movement speed end up with these nerfs? She only had high bans because CC heavy supports are meta at the moment before and after rework. If you want to do anything Riot, just put her W back to prerework.

Fargo794/10/2019, 2:08:03 AM4 votes

so wait.. they r nerfing an ALREADY easy to dodge Snare that any decent player can see coming.. wonderful.. so now a champ that i have been playing since season 2 will lose her shield cause now almost ANYONE with any form of AP can blow thru it. her snare has NO reward in landing it.. she STILL has a useless passive.. but wait they gave her a MS buff on an ulti that she has to be up in the enemies face to use... ya sounds Balanced..

Mezo4/9/2019, 11:55:18 PM4 votes

They will say her ban rate is high!! SO WHAT ABOUT YASUO?????????

DerankingInter4/10/2019, 12:43:53 AM4 votes

Winrates don't give a lot of insight into the objective power of different champions. Champions like garen who are easy to play will have a 55% winrate if they are in a modestly okay state and champions like ryze can be pick or ban tier in pro play and high elo (on good servers) despite being at 39% winrates in every other tier and region. Winrates only suggest QUESTIONs, ie Why is this champ performing as such here? they are NOT Derivatives with which to answer those questions.

Beacon Academy4/10/2019, 3:06:35 AM3 votes

Wait... The issue is the execution damage on W, not those two abilities that have been the same for years LMAO

Typical Riot, not wanting to admit they're wrong after raising the execution damage so high.

For those curious:


Tormented Shadow


Renamed to Tormented Shadow from Tormented Soil.


Minimum base damage reduced to 12 / 24 / 36 / 48 / 60 from 16 / 32 / 48 / 64 / 80.


Minimum AP ratio reduced to 16% AP from 22% AP.


#Bonus damage increased to 0% − 170% (based on target's missing health) from 0% − 50% (based on target's missing health).


#Maximum base damage increased to 32.4 / 64.8 / 97.2 / 129.6 / 162 from 24 / 48 / 72 / 96 / 120.


#Maximum AP ratio increased to 43% AP from 33% AP.

5050BS4/9/2019, 10:53:08 PM3 votes

So Riot COULD make her Q only last 1s at rank 1 and 2s at rank 5

Would that be better?

Kenneky4/10/2019, 7:06:09 AM2 votes

I see people complain about the duration of her root on her Q rather than anything else in my games. I would not mind that being nerfed than her AP on Q and E. And what about W, it's probably her best damage and farming ability. But curse everything who play support champions mid, but then again why I am allowed to dominate mid as Pyke If he is a "support". Wasn't that their original design, to let people find what champions work best in any role no matter what their actual role is? Recently I saw a lot of Fizz jungle, better nerf that right?

Illabethe4/9/2019, 10:21:44 PM1 votes

Maybe they're testing my theory that nerfing Q/E will leave wiggle room to buff W, and bring her back to being a more competitive champ?

I dunno though. These aren't the changes I was suggesting, nor are they really ones that I would endorse. Q Cooldown was buffed end season 7. That's where her extra strength is.

P.S. They're trying to get her down from a 51% Ban rate.

ORB1TS4/11/2019, 6:26:37 PM1 votes

How many times do I have to say it SHE IS A FUCKING SUPPORT CHAMPION