Before you dump Zoe (a letter to Rito)

Terrible Forest··2 votes·808 views

Dear Riot,

Okay, so, I've not been playing because I am convinced that the Riot balance team is AFK during normal work hours. Now, I know people are gonna bring up that I'm bronze, and that I should get good, and blah blah blah, but this isn't about me, this is about the rumor that they're gonna just trash Zoe. If that is that case, lemme give you a thought to help deal with Zoe because I think she's not the worst champion, I just don't think they have thought of everything to deal with her yet.

Recently, the greatest complaint I've heard against her is that her W is busted because she can miss her E and Q and her W will give her 3 flashes, an Ignite, and she'll pick up an active from a minion that she happened to kill with her empowered auto. Easy fix: GIVE HER AN INITIAL CD WHEN SHE PICKS UP A SPELL. She walks over a flash? She has to wait 5/4.5/4/3.5/3 seconds before using it. Or maybe go 4/3.5/3/2.5/2. Something like that, ya know?

Her Q should only be doing extra damage if the E actually lands, ya know, like it's supposed to. But instead of her still getting a proc on it if she misses cause it turns into a trap, just make it a missed skill shot; or make it a trap. Doing both is kinda overwhelming.

Now, again, I'm sure I'll catch flak on my ELO and understanding, but I argue I may possibly understand a lil more than them:

  1. Taliyah was actually considered balanced EVERYWHERE IN LEAGUE except in proplay; so they smacked her with the nerf bat.... This was a patch note. That was real life.
  2. They took a niche item (Banner) decided that they needed to make it busted; then realized it was busted and removed it.
  3. They removed Tracker's Knife; for what point and purpose? The only other role that actually actively makes vision and counter vision their mission is the support. The only reason they removed it was cause it wasn't doing something that Rito wanted it to do. Which everyone just translated as, "cause proplay something something darkside."
  4. While I'm not against using the upper ELOs to look at balance and stuch (cause those are the players that understand the game the best) it is unrealistic to consistently use proplay as your "balanced ideal" when over half of the player base is silver/bronze; which becomes almost 3/4s the player base when you add Gold into that mix.
  5. It does not seem they understand how champions can utilize the changes made to items meant for other classes. My go to example is Yas with the Marksmen items and true damage output: Yas passive doubles crit, IE double crit chance and makes a portion be true damage, and the most common keystone is Conqueror; effectively Yas builds 1 crit item (50%), IE (100% + fractional true damage), and just has to smack minions before going (to get the 4 seconds of combat with Conqueror) and BOOM you're dead by his 3rd or 4th item. Obviously he's not easy to play, but my (exceptionally simple math) stands as such.
  6. To add to that, minions should not just be the thing that counts as combat for procs, especially when there are mechanics in place that already say "in combat with champions" or however they word it. But nah, that's fine, let the true damage keystone just proc off minions that you're always hitting anyways, that's fine. : ^)

Now, I would like to say this: my gripes are not meant to say that League is shit; the community already says that. I love the lore, I love the champions and kits, and I have made a ton of friends through it. I would love to see some semblance that the balance team is trying. I'm not saying I don't understand it at all, but lately it just seems like they wanna just break the game over and over and over and it's just not fun.

I hope they fix it, I hope they actually try, but as it stands I'm waiting til next season to actually start to care again.

Sincerely, Forestmane

4 Comments

Chillee2 votes

If trashing Zoe means removing her entirely, I'm all in. I hate seeing her in LCS, I hate laning against her, and I hate her W. I'm sure a Zoe main will downvote, but hey.

Terrible Forest1 votes

Oh, there's no question she's [arguably] the most hated champ in League, and I'm by no means a Zoe main; I just think they could actually do things to fix her and try to balance her. This season just hasn't seemed like they've actually cared for trying to balance anyone or anything and I find that frustrating (inherently so as a gamer). I get the frustration, I've watched Zoe's straight up miss their nuke, but because they have a stored spell or because someone on your team burned a summ near her, she turns it around. Fighting a champion that can fight with any number of flashes or two ignites is absolute shit. If they scrap her, so be it; I just wanna know they actually tried before they say "it's a failed champion."

º Lamb calls º2 votes

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Oh, there's no question she's [arguably] the most hated champ in League, and I'm by no means a Zoe main; I just think they could actually do things to fix her and try to balance her. This season just hasn't seemed like they've actually cared for trying to balance anyone or anything and I find that frustrating (inherently so as a gamer). I get the frustration, I've watched Zoe's straight up miss their nuke, but because they have a stored spell or because someone on your team burned a summ near her, she turns it around. Fighting a champion that can fight with any number of flashes or two ignites is absolute shit. If they scrap her, so be it; I just wanna know they actually tried before they say "it's a failed champion."

She's designed to kill targets with just her Q, there's no way to balance that. Everything else in her kit is just extra stuff thrown in there that makes her even more of an annoyance. It's already been admitted she's a failure, QA said she was very fun to play, but she also made the game incredibly frustrating when against it; but for who knows why, they released her as is anyways.

Just give her the old Poppy treatment, keep her weak, and nerf her if she's picked professionally until they rework her, because all they did was create old Nidalee (which was changed for a reason) that gets to randomly flash multiple times, use heal/ignites in lane, or items while providing some CC/Area denial.

Chillee1 votes

Yeah, CertainlyT has really done it now. He has created a champ that either one shots with only a item 1056 or does absolutely no damage. Even with her somewhat fragile condition with balancing, she is still not fun to fight against. Especially when her kit consists of, A free no CD sheen, A long range AoE Nuke, Free damage and stealing summoner spells, A long range CC that guarantees gap closure or a free Q, and a low CD blink and blink back for easy engages or kiting. You know they messed up when the champ hasn't been out for a year yet, but she had a 100% pick or ban rate in LCS and already is getting a small kit rework.

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